Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - 3rd and 4th rail (Michael Reichert)

2020-06-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 at 17:50, Garry Keenor wrote: > Paul - thanks for the response. I struggle with the idea that someone > would know that a route is electrified with a ground level contact system, > but not how many rails there are. The possible sources are a) local > knowledge, > Or local-ish

[Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Martin Koppenhoefer: == Warin, can you give an example for something historic that is not there any more in reality and should be removed from OpenStreetMap? Through all the years I have never encountered anything like this mapped in OpenStreetMap. == I have deleted some powerlines tagged as remo

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 14:02, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > I have deleted some powerlines tagged > as removed. > Are they still visible in any of the aerial imagery available to mappers? If so, deleting those power lines tagged as removed may lead to their resurrection. -- Paul

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:09:10 +0100 Paul Allen wrote: >On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 14:02, Niels Elgaard Larsen >wrote: > >> >> I have deleted some powerlines tagged >> as removed. >> > >Are they still visible in any of the aerial imagery available to >mappers? If >so, deleting those power lines tagg

[Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Martin Koppenhoefer: == there aren't only written/drawn sources by the way. Oral tradition can also be relevant. Your grandpa told your dad and your dad told you, why not? == That is what the history is for. Also it does not scale to more than one change. The road where I live have been changed

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 14:59, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > Some stores are tagges as vacant or disused. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3405891059 > > Which makes some sense if there still is a physical separate store. > And it could be useful, e.g. for someone wanting to lease it. > But

Re: [Tagging] bicycle_parking=? for stands where handlebar is used to hold bicycle in position

2020-06-14 Thread Hidde Wieringa
The table with value in the bicycle_parking wiki has been updated with this new value handlebar_holder. The photo has been uploaded to WikiMedia Commons (CC0). Kind regards,/ Hidde Wieringa/ / / On 13-06-2020 23:22, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Can you take your own photo of such bicy

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Volker Schmidt
Regarding power lines: it is helpful mapping razed power lines as razed and not removing them completely, because in many cases some of the satellite pictures still show the towers, or at least the concrete foundations. This way you avd resurrection. The same argument applies to other objects as we

[Tagging] Charging stations

2020-06-14 Thread patata
Currently socket:type1 and socket:type2 are not clarifying if the station has a cable or we must bring our own. Since the connector is not necessarily a socket, it is being discussed on our telegram group https://t.me/openchargemap to change all sockets into connector. Only add socket or cable wher

Re: [Tagging] bicycle_parking=? for stands where handlebar is used to hold bicycle in position

2020-06-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Thank you! Jun 14, 2020, 17:01 by hi...@hiddewieringa.nl: > > The table with value in the bicycle_parking wiki has been updated with > this new value handlebar_holder. > > > The photo has been uploaded to WikiMedia Commons (CC0). > > > Kind regards, > Hidde Wieringa > > > > On 13-06-2020

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:20:56 +0100 Paul Allen wrote: > >That is where the was: lifecycle prefix and notes are useful: to >prevent armchair mappers resurrecting something from imagery on the >internet. Yes. And I would not delete, e.g., power lines that are visible on aerials. Also because I wou

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 12:47 PM Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > Yes. And I would not delete, e.g., power lines that are visible > on aerials. > Also because I would not be sure that were really removed and not just > unused. I'd add a lifecycle prefix to make sure that someone else looking at the

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:12:49 -0400 Kevin Kenny wrote: >What do you mean by 'just unused?' Waiting to be demolished. >If I'm in the field, looking at the alleged powerline, and finding >nothing, why would I not simply make them go away (with a lifecycle >prefix to protect against someone else

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jun 14, 2020, 18:46 by elga...@agol.dk: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:20:56 +0100 > Paul Allen wrote: > > >> >> > >That is where the was: lifecycle prefix and notes are useful: to > >prevent armchair mappers resurrecting something from imagery on the > >internet. > > Yes. And I would not delete, e.

Re: [Tagging] bicycle_parking=? for stands where handlebar is used to hold bicycle in position

2020-06-14 Thread Toggenburger Lukas
Thank you Hidde! I've added a german translation of your text at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:DE:Bicycle_parking I did a small crosscheck: At https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/L0mLQtnwvDlEfB0tHlzeAQ I've found a picture of https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/697927260 that was tag

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - 3rd and 4th rail (Michael Reichert)

2020-06-14 Thread Garry Keenor
I think it is fairly unlikely that any more 4th rail will be built, and certainly not converted. It is a system which makes it difficult to detect earth faults, as well as making the design of junctions more complex. Not impossible though. best regards, Garry On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 12:22, Paul

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - 3rd and 4th rail (Garry Keenor)

2020-06-14 Thread Garry Keenor
Just to let you all know that I have changed the proposal to incorporate the feedback to leave electrified=rail in place for 3rd rail. best regards, Garry ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/taggin

Re: [Tagging] bicycle_parking=? for stands where handlebar is used to hold bicycle in position

2020-06-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jun 14, 2020, 20:51 by lukas.toggenbur...@fhgr.ch: > Do we need additional steps to make this value "official"? > You can go through a https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process but it is unlikely to add anything. You can try asking for support in editors (JOSM presets etc), but not

[Tagging] nhd tags - documentation page review

2020-06-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nhd:fcode https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nhd:ftype https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nhd:reach_code https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nhd:com_id about tags added in imports. Review is welcomed, especially the first two where

Re: [Tagging] nhd tags - documentation page review

2020-06-14 Thread Volker Schmidt
Is it not possible to get people who were involved in the original import to check these.things? I would be wary to remove such things remotely and without knowing what information these codes carry ore once carried, I had a look at our imported waterways in Italy (which have mainly two problems:

Re: [Tagging] nhd tags - documentation page review

2020-06-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jun 14, 2020, 22:55 by vosc...@gmail.com: > Is it not possible to get people who were involved in the original import to > check these.things? > Good idea, any idea how to identify accounts that added this tags into OSM? Standard way to to this failed - loading all objects tagged with this in

Re: [Tagging] nhd tags - documentation page review

2020-06-14 Thread Jo
If you enabled expert mode, you can download from Overpass directly into JOSM. Polyglot On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 23:29 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Jun 14, 2020, 22:55 by vosc...@gmail.com: > > Is it not possible to get people who were involved in the or

Re: [Tagging] nhd tags - documentation page review

2020-06-14 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 4:21 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > I created > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nhd:fcode > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nhd:ftype > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nhd:reach_code > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nhd:com_id > a

Re: [Tagging] Charging stations

2020-06-14 Thread Warin
On 15/6/20 1:37 am, patata wrote: Currently socket:type1 and socket:type2 are not clarifying if the station has a cable or we must bring our own. Since the connector is not necessarily a socket, Agreed. it is being discussed on our telegram group https://t.me/openchargemap to change all socke

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Warin
On 15/6/20 1:09 am, Volker Schmidt wrote: Regarding power lines: it is helpful mapping razed power lines as razed and not removing them completely, because in many cases some of the satellite pictures still show the towers, or at least the concrete foundations. This way you avd resurrection.

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Warin
On 14/6/20 10:59 pm, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer: == Warin, can you give an example for something historic that is not there any more in reality and should be removed from OpenStreetMap? Through all the years I have never encountered anything like this mapped in OpenStreetMap

Re: [Tagging] nhd tags - documentation page review

2020-06-14 Thread Warin
Try https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/3382975 ~ 10 years ago. On 15/6/20 7:52 am, Jo wrote: If you enabled expert mode, you can download from Overpass directly into JOSM. Polyglot On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 23:29 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: