Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-21 Thread Topographe Fou
Agree on the purpose of Wikidata but many OSM features (such as buildings) does not have a Wikidata item (only major buildings have one, usually landmarks).I would rather say that as soon as an OSM item has a Wikidata attribute then a QA tool may suggest to move some other attributes in Wikidata

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-21 Thread marc marc
Le 21.02.19 à 02:01, Greg Troxel a écrit : > there is a road there, but we don't know how it is that's highway=road ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-21 Thread Sergio Manzi
Thanks Greg,  Warin and Marc, I stand corrected on this: "unclassified" is a class of roads and an unclassified road is a "road". Ooops... my tongue just got twisted!  :-) Sergio On 2019-02-21 02:01, Greg Troxel wrote: > But it doesn't mean that in the UK. It means "in the national road > syst

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Greg Troxel wrote: > Finally, I'd suggest in the US treating unclassified and residential > as exactly the same in importance, because we have no real notion > of unclassified roads like the UK. There is one de facto difference in the US, which is that highway=unclassified means that someone has

Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 21. Feb. 2019 um 09:17 Uhr schrieb Topographe Fou < letopographe...@gmail.com>: > Agree on the purpose of Wikidata but many OSM features (such as buildings) > does not have a Wikidata item (only major buildings have one, usually > landmarks). > > you can always create one ;-) > I would

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Florian Lohoff wrote: > From the original meaning unclassified was the lowest class road > in rural or off city limits. residential was the lowest class road > within city limits. (Assuming that city limits mean residential > usage) That's reasonable but not _quite_ true. highway=unclassified i

Re: [Tagging] units and notations for maxstay

2019-02-21 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 19:15, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > OSM relies on the contributions of many people, most of them are not going to > spend much time learn stuff - particular complicated stuff that they don't > see in their day to day life. > > The complexity of things like the val

Re: [Tagging] units and notations for maxstay

2019-02-21 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 20.02.19 00:08, Warin wrote: > 24/7 is used for opening hours - so for consistency I would tend to go > for that. Maxstay values are durations, opening_hours values (such as "24/7") refer to time intervals. Those are separate concepts, so I don't think consistency is called for. If we want an

Re: [Tagging] units and notations for maxstay

2019-02-21 Thread Andrew Errington
If there is no limit then omit the maxstay tag. No tag, no limit. Andrew On Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 07:47 Tobias Knerr On 20.02.19 00:08, Warin wrote: > > 24/7 is used for opening hours - so for consistency I would tend to go > > for that. > > Maxstay values are durations, opening_hours values (such

Re: [Tagging] units and notations for maxstay

2019-02-21 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 20.02.19 00:46, Warin wrote: > On default units .. I don't think there's a single unit that would be the obvious default for maxstay, as both minutes and hours will be common. Omitting the unit will lead to misunderstandings in that situation. Therefore, I would define no default, treat missin

Re: [Tagging] units and notations for maxstay

2019-02-21 Thread Tony Shield
No Tag means don't know, any tag value means its been checked and this is the value. TonyS On 21/02/2019 19:15, Andrew Errington wrote: If there is no limit then omit the maxstay tag. No tag, no limit. Andrew On Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 07:47 Tobias Knerr wrote:

Re: [Tagging] units and notations for maxstay

2019-02-21 Thread Andrew Errington
Nope. No tag means not applicable, or not known. Otherwise we'd have to tag every object with every tag (mostly all set to 'no'). Andrew On Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 08:33 Tony Shield No Tag means don't know, any tag value means its been checked and this is > the value. > > TonyS > On 21/02/2019 19:15,

Re: [Tagging] units and notations for maxstay

2019-02-21 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 21.02.19 20:15, Andrew Errington wrote: > If there is no limit then omit the maxstay tag. No tag, no limit. Personally, I would indeed not set a maxstay tag if there's no limit. However, even if we never want to tag maxstay=unlimited, such a value would still be useful in the context of condit

Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-21 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 6:51 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I am not opposing referencing wikidata in general of course, rather I am > doing it a lot myself, even creating wikidata items from time to time, but > this does not mean we should _move_ information from OSM to wikidata. E.g. > not rem

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-21 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:46 AM Mark Wagner wrote: > When you did your query for hamlets, I'm afraid you ran headlong into a > quirk of American political geography. Historically, the postal service > would only deliver mail to buildings within a certain distance of a > post office, while people

Re: [Tagging] units and notations for maxstay

2019-02-21 Thread Warin
On 22/02/19 06:40, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 21.02.19 20:15, Andrew Errington wrote: If there is no limit then omit the maxstay tag. No tag, no limit. Personally, I would indeed not set a maxstay tag if there's no limit. However, even if we never want to tag maxstay=unlimited, such a value would

Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Feb 2019, at 21:46, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > Most people won't know/care about licensing or political differences - they > treat both as "wikis" they can contribute to. After all, people are very > happy to contribute even to Google maps despite the data not being