On Thursday 15 November 2018, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> [...]
>
> I was thinking it would be much easier and perhaps even better to
> just draw an approximate shape consisting of maybe 20 or 30 nodes,
> big enough to define the area and cause it to render, but easy to
> draw and without involving any
The rendering software would then derive the necessary quality information
from I don't know. Bay recognition software?
Op do 15 nov. 2018 om 12:11 schreef Christoph Hormann :
> On Thursday 15 November 2018, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > I was thinking it would be much easier and
@Christoph,
Thanks for the feedback and the references to the previous discussions
about this topic. The first reference to an earlier discussion on this list
was particularly useful. From your email and that thread, I gather that you
are opposed to mapping bays and straits as multipolygons. That
Hi,
On 15.11.2018 12:08, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> I think it is good you bring this up because many mappers have been
> doing exactly that without asking - See for example:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/548210592
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/544856564
Frankly, while I share you
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 6:11 AM Christoph Hormann wrote:
> Mapping bays with polygons is always non-verifiable to a large extent.
> Mapping bays with polygons as you describe it above is always
> completely non-verifiable and amounts to pure (low quality) label
> painting which should not be done
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Frederik Ramm wrote:
> > Long story short: My suggestion is and has always been to map bays with
> > nodes in those cases where this - together with the coastline -
> > perfectly documents the verifiable information available on the
> > geometry of the bay.
>
> A
On Thursday 15 November 2018, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback and the references to the previous
> discussions about this topic. The first reference to an earlier
> discussion on this list was particularly useful. From your email and
> that thread, I gather that you are opposed to m
On Thursday 15 November 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
> Agree on the node idea, but it would have to include some size
> signifier (and I think someone recently tried to add a "sqm" tag to
> water body nodes for that purpose which I also criticised...). I
> don't think you are recommending a relatio
On Thursday 15 November 2018, Kevin Kenny wrote:
> > Mapping bays with polygons is always non-verifiable to a large
> > extent. Mapping bays with polygons as you describe it above is
> > always completely non-verifiable and amounts to pure (low quality)
> > label painting which should not be done a
> 15 nov. 2018 kl. 18:14 skrev Christoph Hormann :
>
> are completely non-verifiable. They add data but they does not add any
> substantial information about the verifiable geographic reality to the
> database that could not be represented with a single node.
>
How can the size and shape of
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:16 PM Christoph Hormann wrote:
> > I'm afraid that I'm not following this argument very well. What about
> > a bay is 'completely non-verifiable?'
>
> The geometry.
>
> These geometries:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/544856564
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way
Le 15.11.18 à 18:14, Christoph Hormann a écrit :
a large portion of the geometry and as a result the derived way_area are
completely non-verifiable. Also here a properly placed node would
together with the coastline transport all the verifiable information
about the geographic reality there is.
W dniu 15.11.2018 o 16:01, Frederik Ramm pisze:
> Frankly, while I share your overall criticism of 'polygons is
> universally the preferred way of mapping no matter if verifiable or not'
> and 'way_area equals cartographic importance', I recently found that
> someone had added a huge natural=bay re
On Thursday 15 November 2018, Kevin Kenny wrote:
> With these geometries:
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/372986131
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2824513
> >
> > a large portion of the geometry and as a result the derived
> > way_area are completely non-verifiable. Also here a p
W dniu 15.11.2018 o 12:08, Christoph Hormann pisze:
> The 'polygons is universally the preferred way of mapping no matter if
> verifiable or not' and 'way_area equals cartographic importance'
> concepts have been meanwhile extended to natural=strait in OSM-Carto -
> thereby not only incentivizi
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 3:02 PM Christoph Hormann wrote:
> > Even in that extreme example, having the spatial extent adds value.
>
> Data of subjective value for a specific application (like low quality
> label rendering) - yes, obviously. Meaningful additional information
> about the verifiable
Here in Indonesia it is very common for neighbors to build sign over
the main entrance to their neighborhood, with the name of the
neighborhood on top and some other info on the two columns supporting
the sign.
In this example there are two different gateway signs, on the small
street to the left
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:48 PM Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> Here in Indonesia it is very common for neighbors to build sign over
> the main entrance to their neighborhood, with the name of the
> neighborhood on top and some other info on the two columns supporting
> the sign.
>
For all the example
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:35 PM Kevin Kenny wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:48 PM Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here in Indonesia it is very common for neighbors to build sign over
>> the main entrance to their neighborhood, with the name of the
>> neighborhood o
In Turkmenistan I have tagged such signs (though they are official, and
for villages/towns) as tourism=information, information=board or
information=name depending on how much info it contains. If there is a
better tag, I am all ears.
On 11/16/2018 7:44 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 9:45 PM Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:35 PM Kevin Kenny
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:48 PM Joseph Eisenberg <
>> joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here in Indonesia it is very common for neighbors to build sign over
>>> the main entran
On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 11:48, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> Here in Indonesia it is very common for neighbors to build sign over
> the main entrance to their neighborhood, with the name of the
> neighborhood on top and some other info on the two columns supporting
> the sign.
>
I asked this question
Please look at the examples in Indonesia. They are not sculptures or
artwork. And they are erected by the very local government at the
neighborhood level. The large sculptural signs in San Diego are rather
artistic, but they are put up by the government or with government approval
at least, because
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:44 PM Joseph Eisenberg <
joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please look at the examples in Indonesia. They are not sculptures or
> artwork. And they are erected by the very local government at the
> neighborhood level. The large sculptural signs in San Diego are rather
It appears I've started another long discussion that will resist any
attempts to produce a clear answer. I think it's fair to assume that
because this is OSM each mapper can decide for him or herself how to map
bays and straits. That is, as long as someone with greater power than any
of us decodes
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