Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Apr 2018, at 07:49, Yves wrote: > > Amenity=bench with a subtag seems a good idea for data consumers. if these aren’t benches it can’t be solved with a subtag. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Yves
They however serve a purpose very similar to 'public benches', so I'd be inclined to say they are a kind of bench. No need to follow an exact dictionary definition, here a path is a 'highway': tags are tags, not words. Le 30 avril 2018 09:00:36 GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >s

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Apr 2018, at 10:20, Yves wrote: > > They however serve a purpose very similar to 'public benches', so I'd be > inclined to say they are a kind of bench. > No need to follow an exact dictionary definition indeed I was writing about the wiki definition, not the dic

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread osm.tagging
That definition seems overly strict. There is a tag to define how many places a bench has. And I don't think "1" is an invalid value for that... > -Original Message- > From: Martin Koppenhoefer > Sent: Monday, 30 April 2018 18:33 > To: Yves > Cc: Tag discussion, strategy and related too

Re: [Tagging] musical_instrument tag for publicly available musical instruments

2018-04-30 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 10:36 AM, José G Moya Y. wrote: > I think this is a good idea, but, in the suggestion of Thorsten, I find > problematic the use of "access=" tag when instruments are in a bar. Imagine > a bar with a private piano is tagged as a point: > > amenity=bar > amenity=musical_instr

Re: [Tagging] musical_instrument tag for publicly available musical instruments

2018-04-30 Thread Jo
- tag one of them as area, position the other as node inside the other 2018-04-30 11:00 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis : > On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 10:36 AM, José G Moya Y. > wrote: > > I think this is a good idea, but, in the suggestion of Thorsten, I find > > problematic the use of "access=" tag when ins

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-04-30 10:40 GMT+02:00 : > That definition seems overly strict. There is a tag to define how many > places a bench has. And I don't think "1" is an invalid value for that... the wiki suggests "1" would indeed be an invalid value for a bench capacity, as would be "0" for instance. I don't th

Re: [Tagging] musical_instrument tag for publicly available musical instruments

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-04-29 11:15 GMT+02:00 Thilo Haug OSM : > I case of the bars, > > it could be > amenity=bar > musical_instrument:rental=piano > fee:piao=no @ customers > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee > this seems bad tagging, as "renting" necessarily implies paying a fee, so fee=no would be co

Re: [Tagging] musical_instrument tag for publicly available musical instruments

2018-04-30 Thread Marc Gemis
Besides the arguments from Martin, how do you differentiate the "rental" in a bar, where you can only play on the instrument, and not take it away from the room/building from a real rental company that deliver instruments to play somewhere else ? > musical_instrument:sales=* > musical_instrument:

Re: [Tagging] musical_instrument tag for publicly available musical instruments

2018-04-30 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
perhaps musical_instrument:usage= ? Am 30.04.2018 um 11:22 schrieb Marc Gemis: > Besides the arguments from Martin, > > how do you differentiate the "rental" in a bar, where you can only > play on the instrument, and not take it away from the room/building > from a real rental company that deliv

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread osm.tagging
A “one person bench” doesn’t seem as rare as people seem to think… https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/wildon-home-elmore-one-seat-bench-ut2860.html https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/17-stories-madhav-one-seat-bench-stss5585.html https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/andover-mills-delan

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Selfish Seahorse
In my opinion, (sun)loungers are something different form benches, as they are designed to lie on, not to sit on. Besides, tagging them amenity=bench + bench:type=lounger would mean we need another bench:type for real benches. Instead, I suggest amenity=lounger. __

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Andy Townsend
On 30/04/2018 11:03, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: A “one person bench” doesn’t seem as rare as people seem to think… https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/wildon-home-elmore-one-seat-bench-ut2860.html That's clearly for someone whose "seat" is even wider than mine :) ___

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-04-30 12:03 GMT+02:00 : > A “one person bench” doesn’t seem as rare as people seem to think… > > > > https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/wildon-home- > elmore-one-seat-bench-ut2860.html > > https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/17-stories-madhav-one-seat-bench- > stss5585.html > > https://w

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread osm.tagging
Looking at the specified dimensions, that thing is 1m wide (which I assume is the outside dimension, so make it maybe 90cm available to sit in between). I don’t think 2 average adults that aren’t in the habit of swapping body fluids are going to feel very comfortable occupying it together.

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread osm.tagging
There are a decent number of one seat benches already mapped: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ynN From: Martin Koppenhoefer Sent: Monday, 30 April 2018 20:16 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs 2018-04-30 12:03 GMT+02:00 mailto:osm.

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Steve Doerr
On 29/04/2018 22:22, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Maybe sun lounge would be a better choice? http://streetfurniture.com/au/dev/product/mall-sun-lounge/ Not lounge! That usage may result from a confusion between the expression 'chaise longue' and the word 'lounge'. A lounge is a room. This it

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-04-30 12:19 GMT+02:00 : > Looking at the specified dimensions, that thing is 1m wide (which I assume > is the outside dimension, so make it maybe 90cm available to sit in > between). > you have posted 4 "benches", and only one has arm rests which might make it unsuitable for 2 people to sit

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sorry, correction: ...are _not_ benches according to OSM standards... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-04-30 12:27 GMT+02:00 : > There are a decent number of one seat benches already mapped: > https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ynN > > > there are 1962 nodes with this invalid combination, out of 876 820 benches in total. It is normal that some people try to squeeze the round into the square and don

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Marc Gemis
This is probably one of those objects mapped as 1-person benches: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/Zg9gXzS-fC_ZYR3CUNZTMA Typically there are 3 or 4 of those attached to one another, but here only 1 is used. m. On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > 2018-04-30 12:27 G

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-04-30 12:53 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis : > This is probably one of those objects mapped as 1-person benches: > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/Zg9gXzS-fC_ZYR3CUNZTMA > Typically there are 3 or 4 of those attached to one another, but here > only 1 is used. > IMHO no bench there. Not sure if seve

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > 2018-04-30 12:53 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis : >> >> This is probably one of those objects mapped as 1-person benches: >> https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/Zg9gXzS-fC_ZYR3CUNZTMA >> Typically there are 3 or 4 of those attached to one anothe

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-04-30 15:37 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis : > > an example: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ixqzpTVm4e40cEgUJSGlrw to me this is a group of chairs, but according to the current wiki definition, it could probably be mapped as amenity=bench. As we already are in the bikesheds of bench mapping, wha

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor deckchairs

2018-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
and bonus question, if the model before was backrest=yes, what about these: https://www.instantstreetview.com/@41.860842,12.498511,120.32h,-12.44p,2.08z ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging