Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

2017-09-03 Thread Thilo Haug
"sells" is a verb (the action of doing something), while "sales" is a noun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun British & World English "The exchange of a commodity for money; the action of selling something" https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sale North American English "The exchange of

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique / subtags

2017-09-03 Thread Thilo Haug
shop=car, car_repair, car_parts is a good example, if you compare it with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle see taginfo for combinations : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/motorcycle%3Arepair#combinations You're more flexible to tag shops that offer different services

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop subtags

2017-09-03 Thread Thilo Haug
Hi all, as of the current discussion about different clothes shops, I proposed subtags for any type of shop : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop_subtags IMHO most shops will offer *sales,rental,parts,repair,* and different *type*s of the items they sell. Please comment.

[Tagging] Clothes subtags (was "Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3" and before that "shop=fashion")

2017-09-03 Thread Andy Townsend
On 02/09/2017 18:19, Thilo Haug wrote: Please consider there might be more useful subtags for shops, like : shop=clothes clothes:type=fashion/boutique/work/sport clothes:for=woman/men/children clothes:repair=yes clothes:rental=no shoes:sales=yes the "for" key is used here : http://wiki.openstre

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

2017-09-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Sep 2017, at 10:58, Rafael Avila Coya wrote: > > As for shop=boutique, it's crystal clear that it's making more harm than > good. You only have to do an overpass over different cities in francophone > Africa and you will see the mess... just because a tag isn't us

[Tagging] shop=boutique WAS Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

2017-09-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Sep 2017, at 10:58, Rafael Avila Coya wrote: > > So if you have a shop that is "fashion" and women only, you could tag it as > > shop=clothes > clothes=women;fashion this isn't semantically clear, it could just as well mean clothes for women and fashion. What abou

[Tagging] English grammar and back seat drivers Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

2017-09-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 3. Sep 2017, at 09:46, Thilo Haug wrote: > > "sells" is a verb (the action of doing something), > while "sales" is a noun > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun actually sales is the plural of the noun "sale". Why would you use the plural in this context? Especially as

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop subtags

2017-09-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 3. Sep 2017, at 11:29, Thilo Haug wrote: > > IMHO most shops will offer > sales,rental,parts,repair, > and different types of the items they sell. where I live, almost no shop offers "repair", maybe they did 50-100 years ago. Still it's good to know "rental" is not

Re: [Tagging] English grammar and back seat drivers Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

2017-09-03 Thread ralph.aytoun
A better use would be the word retail which covers the selling of goods to the public (as in the logistics chain from Manufacturer to Distributor to Wholesaler to Retailer to consumer) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Martin Koppenhoefer Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 4:49 PM To: Tag discus

Re: [Tagging] Clothes subtags (was "Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3" and before that "shop=fashion")

2017-09-03 Thread Thilo Haug
I don't only refer to clothes shops, but to shops in general : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop_subtags I don't think it's useful to discuss every single shop type from scratch if there's a couple of tags which MIGHT apply to most of the shops. We'll then see if they will

Re: [Tagging] English grammar and back seat drivers Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

2017-09-03 Thread Thilo Haug
Why don't they call it a sale counter, then ? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/shop_subtags Am 03.09.2017 um 14:42 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > > sent from a phone > > On 3. Sep 2017, at 09:46, Thilo Haug > wrote: > >> "sells" is a verb (the act

Re: [Tagging] shop=boutique WAS Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

2017-09-03 Thread Thilo Haug
How would you then avoid "multivalues" ? For example for brand=* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand If a shop sells several brands (Honda;Yamaha;Suzuki;BMW;KTM), how would you tag this ? In the clothes example, we could certainly split the characteristics up in clothes:for=men/women/

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop subtags

2017-09-03 Thread Thilo Haug
Yes, I think that shops in general are obsolete. Plastic parts are made at home by 3d printer, repair isn't done as Amazon doesn't offer it and if I need a drill hammer it doesn't help to RENT it in the next doityouself shop when I didn't learn any craft anyway as everyone just got a PC job nowaday

[Tagging] Tagging data where position is not yet known

2017-09-03 Thread ralph.aytoun
Hi all, I am looking for comments and advice regarding this. I am working with a group of local mappers in Sierra Leone, Africa, under the name WAMM (West Africa Motorbike Mappers). They are trying to find and identify all the towns, villages, hamlets in Sierra Leone and have completed one whol

Re: [Tagging] English grammar and back seat drivers Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

2017-09-03 Thread Warin
Shop assistants// SELL shoes over a SALES counter. They do not "sales shoes over a a sales counter". It is English .. and has peculiarities. For the OSM tagging .. use sells not sales, sells makes 'English' sense in that context. On 04-Sep-17 02:46 AM, Thilo Haug wrote: Why don't they call

Re: [Tagging] Clothes subtags (was "Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3" and before that "shop=fashion")

2017-09-03 Thread Dave Swarthout
I think before we can agree on this particular subtagging scenario we must resolve whether to use "sells" or "sales" as the action verb. I'm all in favor of using some sort of hierarchical structure to fine-tune the shop tag as Thilo suggests but as you can see from Taginfo, the confusion exists al