Re: [Tagging] Landuse=grass - boots on change to wiki

2017-01-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-01-09 2:28 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > For instance green areas in roundabouts, highway medians ... are used by > the highway ... and should be tagged similar to railways ... > landuse=highway! > I completely agree, but want to point out that landuse=grass was originally inv

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=grass - boots on change to wiki

2017-01-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-01-09 8:31 GMT+01:00 Mark Wagner : > > Are you volunteering to fix the two million now-incorrect uses of the > tag? if we do it all together it might be a bit faster than him doing it all alone ;-) Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=grass - boots on change to wiki

2017-01-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
Please remember that the wiki is intended to document what the common use is, not what the common use should be. If you want to change the common use please use the available discussion channels before changing the wiki. Volker On 9 January 2017 at 02:28, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > H

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
Please remember that the wiki is intended to document what the common use is, not what the common use should be. If you want to change the common use please use the available discussion channels before changing the wiki. Volker On 9 January 2017 at 01:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > O

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-09 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 09.01.2017 01:19, Warin wrote: landuse=grass is for the PRODUCTION of grass - Grass is grown here, harvested (with a little soil) and transported somewhere and planted. Then more grass is grown etc. In the same way landuse=forest is for the Production of things from the tress grown there.

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-09 Thread Dave F
On 09/01/2017 09:28, Volker Schmidt wrote: Please remember that the wiki is intended to document what the common use is, not what the common use should be. If you want to change the common use please use the available discussion channels before changing the wiki. Volker I disagree with this

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=grass - boots on change to wiki

2017-01-09 Thread Dave F
On 09/01/2017 09:16, Volker Schmidt wrote: Please remember that the wiki is intended to document what the common use is, not what the common use should be. If you want to change the common use please use the available discussion channels before changing the wiki. Volker I disagree with this

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=grass - boots on change to wiki

2017-01-09 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 09.01.2017 12:03, Dave F wrote: On 09/01/2017 09:16, Volker Schmidt wrote: Please remember that the wiki is intended to document what the common use is, not what the common use should be. If you want to change the common use please use the available discussion channels before changing the wi

[Tagging] What about a disused quarry and historic surface mining?

2017-01-09 Thread ael
This thread has reminded me that I have encountered problems with mapping disused quarries and surface mining. The quarries that I have in mind are major geographical features - they have not been filled in. I tried tagging them as landuse=quarry and disused=yes. If landuse really does mean curren

Re: [Tagging] What about a disused quarry and historic surface mining?

2017-01-09 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 09.01.2017 13:15, ael wrote: This thread has reminded me that I have encountered problems with mapping disused quarries and surface mining. The quarries that I have in mind are major geographical features - they have not been filled in. I tried tagging them as landuse=quarry and disused=yes.

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-09 Thread Rene
Hi, I'm one of the contributors who started this discussion in the Dutch forum as Marc mentioned in his first post. And as I noticed here the discussion is becoming bigger and bigger. Which is fine of course but I'm afraid it will not result in a nice obvious tag for mixed vegetation. So wha

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=grass - boots on change to wiki

2017-01-09 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > If the grassed area needs to be tagged then tag WHAT IS THERE ... > landcover=grass (or natural=grass) ... the land is use in a highway > situation to provide safety for the highway users .. it is not for the use > of the grass

[Tagging] How should golf ball protection be tagged?

2017-01-09 Thread Tod Fitch
Here is a footway adjacent to a golf course that is being protected against people being hit by golf balls. [1] What is the best tagging for this protective structure? The lower part on the right could be considered a fence, but it extends over the top of the footway which makes it un-fence lik

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=grass - boots on change to wiki

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
On 09-Jan-17 08:16 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: Please remember that the wiki is intended to document what the common use is, not what the common use should be. If you want to change the common use please use the available discussion channels before changing the wiki. Would you name these 'availa

Re: [Tagging] What about a disused quarry and historic surface mining?

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
On 10-Jan-17 12:00 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 09.01.2017 13:15, ael wrote: This thread has reminded me that I have encountered problems with mapping disused quarries and surface mining. The quarries that I have in mind are major geographical features - they have not been filled in. I tried taggi

Re: [Tagging] What about a disused quarry and historic surface mining?

2017-01-09 Thread ael
On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 02:00:58PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > On 09.01.2017 13:15, ael wrote: > Please do not use "disused=yes" as it is considered troll-tagging, first > saying it is simething, and in the next line negating it. I don't think that is a natural interpretation. It is perfectly clea

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=grass - boots on change to wiki

2017-01-09 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 09.01.2017 21:03, Warin wrote: On 09-Jan-17 08:16 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: Please remember that the wiki is intended to document what the common use is, not what the common use should be. If you want to change the common use please use the available discussion channels before changing the wi

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
On 09-Jan-17 10:01 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 09.01.2017 01:19, Warin wrote: landuse=grass is for the PRODUCTION of grass - Grass is grown here, harvested (with a little soil) and transported somewhere and planted. Then more grass is grown etc. In the same way landuse=forest is for the Producti

Re: [Tagging] What about a disused quarry and historic surface mining?

2017-01-09 Thread ksg
> Am 09.01.2017 um 21:23 schrieb ael : > > On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 02:00:58PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote: >> Please do not use "disused=yes" as it is considered troll-tagging, first >> saying it is simething, and in the next line negating it. +1 That’s what the life cycle prefix is intended for.

Re: [Tagging] What about a disused quarry and historic surface mining?

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
On 10-Jan-17 07:56 AM, ksg wrote: Am 09.01.2017 um 21:23 schrieb ael : On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 02:00:58PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Please do not use "disused=yes" as it is considered troll-tagging, first saying it is simething, and in the next line negating it. +1 That’s what the life cycle p

Re: [Tagging] What about a disused quarry and historic surface mining?

2017-01-09 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 09.01.2017 21:23, ael wrote: On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 02:00:58PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 09.01.2017 13:15, ael wrote: Please do not use "disused=yes" as it is considered troll-tagging, first saying it is simething, and in the next line negating it. I don't think that is a natural interp

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=grass - boots on change to wiki

2017-01-09 Thread Yves
Ah, hum, let me see, ... changesets? Yves Le 9 janvier 2017 21:03:03 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : >On 09-Jan-17 08:16 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> Please remember that the wiki is intended to document what the common > >> use is, not what the common use should be. >> If

Re: [Tagging] What about a disused quarry and historic surface mining?

2017-01-09 Thread ksg
> Am 09.01.2017 um 22:15 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > On 10-Jan-17 07:56 AM, ksg wrote: >>> >> You might use man_made=embankment for them. Don’t use natural=cliff, as >> these features are not of natural origin. > > The 'natural' key is used for both 'natural' and 'unnatural' obj

Re: [Tagging] What about a disused quarry and historic surface mining?

2017-01-09 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 09.01.2017 22:56, ksg wrote: Am 09.01.2017 um 22:15 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: On 10-Jan-17 07:56 AM, ksg wrote: You might use man_made=embankment for them. Don’t use natural=cliff, as these features are not of natural origin. The 'natural' key is used for both 'natural' a

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-09 Thread John Willis
On Jan 10, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The wiki page has been reverted. Stop trolling. >> >> tom > > Not trolling. Raising the discussion, waving the flag ... this tag is > something I trip over every now and then and it really annoys me. As a person who "rais

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-09 Thread Ralph Aytoun
When I was maintaining survey plans the landuse=highway would cover the extent of the area owned and maintained by the highways agency and not just the highway itself. This area would include the highways, the soft or hard shoulders, sidewalks (pavements), roundabouts and islands, central reservat

Re: [Tagging] landuse=logging

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
On 06-Jan-17 11:00 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Max > wrote: I thought that this is exactly what a landuse=forest is. A plantation of trees to be cut down. The other thing is natural=wood +1 Logging is one of the activit

Re: [Tagging] landuse=logging

2017-01-09 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There are other things produced by forestry ... > maple syrup for Canadians > rubber from rubber trees > various oils (tea tree oil, eucalyptus oil) > as well as timber. > > From the crop wiki I think

Re: [Tagging] How should golf ball protection be tagged?

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
On 10-Jan-17 02:59 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: Here is a footway adjacent to a golf course that is being protected against people being hit by golf balls. [1] What is the best tagging for this protective structure? The lower part on the right could be considered a fence, but it extends over the top o

Re: [Tagging] Wrong use of landuse=village_green - but what else to use?

2017-01-09 Thread Marc Gemis
I thought the original question was broader than just the patches of green next to the road. I also want to know how to map those green patches when they are not part of roundabouts, or are located between sidewalk and road (where cars drive). What about the green patches around public buildings ?

Re: [Tagging] landuse=logging

2017-01-09 Thread Dave Swarthout
@warin, This is another laughable instance of how terminology we consider normal is so different across the ocean. To Americans timber refers to the standing trees in a forest. Timber is felled and cut into lumber. We might describe an area as being "heavily timbered" or having "standing timber".

Re: [Tagging] landuse=logging

2017-01-09 Thread Dave Swarthout
Oops. I see it was Warin that introduced crop=timber. A good choice of terms in any case. On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > @warin, > > This is another laughable instance of how terminology we consider normal > is so different across the ocean. To Americans timber refers

Re: [Tagging] landuse=logging

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
No worries. I'm still thinking about it. The English language is a difficulty as the various dialects drift apart. Tending away from crop towards produce .. as that term encompasses more - eg fish, oysters. On 10-Jan-17 05:23 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: Oops. I see it was Warin that introduce