Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Ruben Maes
Tuesday 25 August 2015 11:30:33, Warin: > As the post office is called an office I suppose it should go as > office=post_office:-) > The more I think of a bank the more I think of it is an office. > Carpenter? If I want a repair done .. then it is a service? = office. If I > want a new chair then

[Tagging] Implementing tagging changes [was: Re: Shop vs amenity]

2015-08-25 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 25.08.2015 4:13, Warin napisał(a): Everyone does not participate in all the OSM news sources. Thus people are surprised when presented with stuff they had no idea of. Of course, they never will participate in everything. But we as a project don't have any defined channels where one cou

Re: [Tagging] Implementing tagging changes [was: Re: Shop vs amenity]

2015-08-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:44:37 +0200 Daniel Koć wrote: > competing proposition landuse=highway Note that landuse=highway is closely related but not competing. area:highway is about mapping surfaces used for movement of vehicles and people. landuse=highway is about mapping entire area used by road

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Husainiya

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 22.08.2015 um 15:38 schrieb John Willis : > > A school operated by a church on separate land with separate facilites is a > school. The sign out front says school. It is a school. It may be a religious > school, so it has religion=* **but it is not the landuse of a faci

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Husainiya

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 22.08.2015 um 02:37 schrieb John Willis : > > We already define the religious buildings themselves through building=* and > the POW through amenity, and the religion and denomination through their > respective tags. > if those religious buildings have defined specif

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 24.08.2015 um 14:11 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > I have been adding 'residential areas' lately .. boring ... but it improves > the map for people who don't know how big a place is. for me the solution to this problem are place polygons rather than indiff

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 24.08.2015 um 15:33 schrieb Daniel Koć : > > What if amenity takes the whole building? Landuse=school for area + > building=school is enough or we still should add amenity=school for the > building? amenity=school is for the school (service/function), while building=s

[Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread serpens-osm
Short introduction: Let’s take the tagging scheme „fuel“ for example: amenity=fuel fuel:diesel= fuel:discount= … This is logical and consistent: amenity=xy and then a namespace xy:= --- Now to my topic: diplomatic institution – like an embassy, a consulate, ambassador’s residence, hono

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 25.08.2015 um 00:58 schrieb John Willis : > > Building=retail. <- existing yes, people use this tag. Personally I'm inclined to use more specific building types here, sth. like building=supermarket or department_store or ... cheers Martin __

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 25.08.2015 um 03:30 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > shops sell physical things. > offices provide a service. > So an electrician would be a service = office I would use craft=electrician here http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/craft#values cheers Marti

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 25.08.2015 um 03:30 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > e.g. bank, carpenter, post_office As the post office is called an office I > suppose it should go as office=post_office :-) The more I think of a bank the > more I think of it is an office. craft=carpenter

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 25, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Everyone does not participate in all the OSM news sources. Thus people are > surprised when presented with stuff they had no idea of. When I was a gamer, I played a lot of Blizzard games (WoW & Diablo), and the same situ

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 25.08.2015 um 10:33 schrieb Ruben Maes : > > Tuesday 25 August 2015 11:30:33, Warin: >> As the post office is called an office I suppose it should go as >> office=post_office:-) >> The more I think of a bank the more I think of it is an office. >> Carpenter? If I want a

Re: [Tagging] Implementing tagging changes [was: Re: Shop vs amenity]

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 25.08.2015 um 11:44 schrieb Daniel Koć : > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_area ). It took > a lot of time to get real support. 2 weeks ago it was about 10-12k uses: not > that much, but clearly more than competing proposition landuse=high

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Husainiya

2015-08-25 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> Am 22.08.2015 um 02:37 schrieb John Willis : >> >> We already define the religious buildings themselves through building=* and >> the POW through amenity, and the religion and denomination th

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread Kieron Thwaites
Hi, While I've never tagged any form of diplomatic institution, I agree with the rationale behind your proposal. I do have some suggestions around implementation details. I would argue that you wouldn't need tags specifying what country the diplomatic institution is physically located in: one ca

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Husainiya

2015-08-25 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:15 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> Am 22.08.2015 um 15:38 schrieb John Willis : >> >> A school operated by a church on separate land with separate facilites is a >> school. The sign out front says school. It is a school. It may be a

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 25.08.2015 um 15:16 schrieb Kieron Thwaites : > > To take your example of a Spanish consulate in France, I would amend > it to something along these lines: > > amenity=diplomatic > diplomatic=consulate > diplomatic:country=ES > name=Spanish Consulate > addr:country=FR

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread serpens-osm
Hi, thank you for your thoughts! > diplomatic:country=ES I don’t think that is the best solution. Why not? As I wrote: >> The destination country is not always identical with addr:country – see for >> example the embassy of Ethiopia in Berlin (destination countries: Germany, >> Poland, Slovak

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread serpens-osm
> having an English name for a Spanish consulate to France seems kind of odd > for the tag "name" ;-) That’s a joke, right? ;-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2015-08-25 16:42 +0200, serpens-...@gmx.de wrote: > >> The destination country is not always identical with addr:country – see > >> for example the embassy of Ethiopia in Berlin (destination countries: > >> Germany, Poland, Slovak Republic and Czech Republic), see > >> http://aethiopi

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 25.08.2015 um 16:42 schrieb serpens-...@gmx.de: > > So there is an embassy > - located in Berlin (addr:country=DE), > - the sending country is Ethiopia (diplomatic:sending_country=ET) > - and the destination countries are Germany, Poland, Slovak Republic and > Czech Repu

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread Kieron Thwaites
Ah, OK. That makes more sense then. (: --K On 25 August 2015 at 17:15, L. David Baron wrote: > On Tuesday 2015-08-25 16:42 +0200, serpens-...@gmx.de wrote: >> >> The destination country is not always identical with addr:country – see >> >> for example the embassy of Ethiopia in Berlin (destin

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread Tom Pfeifer
serpens-...@gmx.de wrote on 2015-08-25 16:43: having an English name for a Spanish consulate to France seems kind of odd for the tag "name" ;-) That’s a joke, right? ;-) I would not see that a joke. name= should be the locally used name, name:en= the English one. t. _

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread serpens-osm
> >> having an English name for a Spanish consulate to France seems kind of odd > >> for the tag "name" ;-) > > > > That’s a joke, right? ;-) > > I would not see that a joke. name= should be the locally used name, name:en= > the English one. It was just an hypothetical example and the whole dis

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread serpens-osm
> I'm a bit lost in this thread and hope that I'm not repeating what was > already said, but there is extensive documentation on this topic in the wiki: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dembassy > and linked pages. It might be disputable whether tagging consulate generals > as em

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-25 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 24.08.2015 22:49, Chris Hill wrote: > I think that 'disused=yes' is a dangerous tag and should be avoided. > > Suppose someone uses foo=bar + disused=yes. Someone else searches for > foo=bar, he will find the objects with and without disused=yes. That's fine, because disused objects are still

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:33:04 +0200 Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > On 24.08.2015 22:49, Chris Hill wrote: > > I think that 'disused=yes' is a dangerous tag and should be avoided. > > > > Suppose someone uses foo=bar + disused=yes. Someone else searches > > for foo=bar, he will find the objects with

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-25 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/24/2015 3:35 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: That's not so bad in lua, but imagine writing "... and not disused=yes" into every cartocss rule! Fortunately, we will not have to do that in OpenStreetMap Carto, as we will not be supporting the style of tagging where one tag says what something is

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread John Eldredge
From my experience, American English makes much the same distinctions as what you are describing. You sometimes see a distinction between "rough carpenters", who install wall studs and the like, which won't end up being visible to the customer, and "finish carpenters", who install woodwork that

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Warin
On 25/08/2015 10:21 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 00:58 schrieb John Willis : Building=retail. <- existing yes, people use this tag. Personally I'm inclined to use more specific building types here, sth. like building=supermarket or department_store or

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Warin
On 25/08/2015 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 03:30 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: e.g. bank, carpenter, post_office As the post office is called an office I suppose it should go as office=post_office :-) The more I think of a bank the more I

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-25 Thread Warin
On 26/08/2015 8:20 AM, Paul Norman wrote: On 8/24/2015 3:35 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: That's not so bad in lua, but imagine writing "... and not disused=yes" into every cartocss rule! Fortunately, we will not have to do that in OpenStreetMap Carto, as we will not be supporting the style of ta