Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread geow
Therefore proper tags on the individual way would be helpful like surface, width, incline, smoothness, sac_scale, mtb:scale etc. Rendering should never rely on assumptions but on physical values. I get the impression, you overestimate the importance of duck tagging. It's not that intuit

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:59 PM, geow wrote: > > Rendering should never rely on assumptions but on physical values Theres no *physical* value separating a primary, secondary, tertiary, unclassified, or service road. I can find one of each that the exact same width, surface,

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, geow wrote: > The difference between a cycleway, a footway, and a trail can be access > rules, but mostly its *the built condition of the way* and that *will* vary > from a 1st world to 3rd would country - and from continent to > continent. > > Therefore proper tags

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:59 PM, geow wrote: > > non-native English mappers may > have different assumptions of what is semantically implied or what is usable > according to their region. Tell me about it - I live and map in Japan. And their rules on =trunk through =secondar

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Ilpo Järvinen writes: > > > It's not just about paved/unpaved. What I mean that there are two kinds of > > "not paved trails through forest". Those which come with man applied > > surface, even if we tag them as surface=unpaved (typically > > surfac

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:59 PM, geow wrote: > > multi-use-path Highway=cycle-ped_path Done! Lets render it with purple dots (blue+red). Or we could just render it as a sidewalk, as that is what it is. A Sidewalk. Highway=footway+footway=sidewalk. Which conveniently alr

Re: [Tagging] Contact:* prefix

2015-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 07.08.2015 um 00:38 schrieb Dave F. : > > For some tag developments i can see the benefits, but I'm struggling with > this one I'm afraid. +1 while in the addr:-namespace all keys are actually address components, this can be contested for the contact: namespace. A web

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:58 AM, John Willis wrote: > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:59 PM, geow wrote: > > > > multi-use-path > > Highway=cycle-ped_path > Done! > Lets render it with purple dots (blue+red). > > Or we could just render it as a sidewalk, as that is what it is. A >

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 07.08.2015 um 09:50 schrieb John Willis : > > And their rules on =trunk through =secondary definitions are different than > most other countries mapped in OSM because they follow Japanese mapping > convention where the legal name /shield designation of the road what i

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 07.08.2015 um 01:15 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen : > > "unpaved paths" is actually built-up > recretional route whereas the others are just tiny, some even faintly > visible, forest trails. there are the tags width, trail visibility and maybe others, that address this probl

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Am 07.08.2015 um 01:15 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen : > > > > "unpaved paths" is actually built-up > > recretional route whereas the others are just tiny, some even faintly > > visible, forest trails. > > there are the tags width, trail visibility an

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread johnw
> On Aug 7, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > For Belgium we follow this convention: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Belgian_Roads#Paths > > It's full of highway=path examples. You'll give us a lot of wor

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread johnw
> On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > what is this legal name/ shield designation about, the relative importance of > the highway as a connection in the road network? Or something else like who > maintains the road (typically more politics and history than traffic log

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > For Belgium we follow this convention: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Belgian_Roads#Paths > It's full of highway=path examples. You'll give us a lot of work if we > have to revisit and retag them all. :-) > So if it's a 2m pav

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 07.08.2015 um 13:05 schrieb Richard Mann > : > > > So if it's a 2m paved path with pedestrians and cyclists allowed, you call it > highway=cycleway if it's got a blue/white sign, and highway=path+various > other tags if it's got a red/white/black sign. > > I'm sorry,

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 07.08.2015 um 13:05 schrieb Richard Mann > : > > I'd also note that there are a lot more surface values that just > paved/unpaved nowadays - which kinda indicates the problem with relying on > subkeys: their values tend to get more complicated, making it impossible to

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Andy Townsend
‎Whilst hstore will make keys available, it won't make the SQL to use a plethora of new keys any less horrible. The code to handle certain highway=path as either cycleways and footways is more convoluted than it would otherwise be already. Something like "lua" processing of keys at import would

Re: [Tagging] oil binding agent?

2015-08-07 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Note the subtle spelling difference between absorption and adsorption: http://www.integrityabsorbents.com/content/abvsad.php ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] oil binding agent?

2015-08-07 Thread John Willis
So if it swells less than 50%, it is adsobent. I learned a new word today. Javbw > On Aug 8, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > Note the subtle spelling difference between > absorption and adsorption: > http://www.integrityabsorbents.com/content/abvsad.php > __