Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (nutrition_supplements)

2015-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 03.08.2015 um 07:57 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > herbal there's also a tag shop=herbalist cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Telecoms Tagging

2015-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
>> Is there a reason for using the key "azimuth" instead of "direction"? is there a good reason to use "direction" for the azimuth? The word suggests to mean a combination of azimuth and altitude but the suggested values indicate to mean azimuth. cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 03.08.2015 um 00:58 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen : > > Many mappers don't want to input all those types using many keys because > of increased effort that slows down useful mapping it doesn't matter with presets as they can set several tags at the same time, but I'd generall

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 03.08.2015 um 00:55 schrieb Daniel Koć : > > landcover=trees has no Wiki page, it does http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover > it's quite established tag (I wouldn't say "popular" here, because it's just > about 1% of forest/wood uses) and

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Richard Mann
What we have is a mess. Most data consumers will simplify it to meet their needs. About the only useful high-level distinction is between well-made paths, typically in an urban environment, which clearly have been built with the intention that they be used by someone, and poorly-made paths (mostly

Re: [Tagging] Telecoms Tagging

2015-08-03 Thread François Lacombe
Hi all, Le 3 août 2015 06:11, "Tim Waters" a écrit : > > Is the idea to have a network map of an enclosed local loop? Is a loop > a mappable thing in its own right and if so do you think that a local > loop be represented as a relation perhaps? The idea is to map some components of such local lo

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-03 Thread christian.pietz...@googlemail.com
landcover=trees has it's origins in this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover The proposal wanted to seperate the phsyical landscape (landcover) from the cultural landscape (landuse). But the proposal never got the support it needed to get established. cheers He

Re: [Tagging] Telecoms Tagging

2015-08-03 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 02/08/2015 22:10, Tim Waters wrote: Is a loop a mappable thing In the telecom context, "loop" is a synonym for "circuit", i.e. a pair of wires, twisted together and is always a point-to-point connection (linear (non-closed) way in OSM mapping). __

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-03 Thread Tom Pfeifer
christian.pietz...@googlemail.com wrote on 2015-08-03 09:20: landcover=trees has it's origins in this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover The proposal wanted to seperate the phsyical landscape (landcover) from the cultural landscape (landuse). > But the pro

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 03.08.2015 um 11:07 schrieb Richard Mann > : > > So lets at least have a clear difference between a plain highway=footway and > a plain highway=path there is, a path is generic while a footway is for pedestrians cheers Martin __

Re: [Tagging] Telecoms Tagging

2015-08-03 Thread Tim Waters
On 3 August 2015 at 10:34, Malcolm Herring wrote: > On 02/08/2015 22:10, Tim Waters wrote: >> >> Is a loop >> a mappable thing > > > In the telecom context, "loop" is a synonym for "circuit", i.e. a pair of > wires, twisted together and is always a point-to-point connection (linear > (non-closed)

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread johnw
> On Aug 3, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Richard Mann > wrote: > > highway=path should be a rough path > highway=footway should be a made-up path with limited room for non-foot > traffic (eg bicycles), or an explicit ban > highway=cycleway should be a made-up path with good room for bicycles (given > ot

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Richard Mann
No, that isn't a difference. If path is generic then footway is a subset of path. It's this idea, that we need a vague generic basket for smaller highways that has created all this confusion. It amounts to saying: put in a vague tag and then add others to clarify. That isn't how people use tags in

Re: [Tagging] Telecoms Tagging

2015-08-03 Thread Warin
On 3/08/2015 8:22 PM, Tim Waters wrote: On 3 August 2015 at 10:34, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 02/08/2015 22:10, Tim Waters wrote: Is a loop a mappable thing In the telecom context, "loop" is a synonym for "circuit", e.g. a pair of wires, twisted together and is always a point-to-point c

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 03.08.2015 um 12:30 schrieb johnw : > > From all the history, it looks like path was made to show some kind of mixed > use way that footway was not good at - for mapping useful but unpaved and > irregular pathways - trails, tracks, etc. A guy was pushing for this as >

[Tagging] Tagging depots without introducing yet another landuse value

2015-08-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I created http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/*%3Ddepot intended as alternative to landuse=depot that I consider as really bad tagging scheme. 27 basic landuses is more than enough and introducing more is not useful. ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Tagging depots without introducing yet another landuse value

2015-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 03.08.2015 um 14:15 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : > > I created > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/*%3Ddepot intended > as alternative to landuse=depot that I consider as really bad tagging > scheme. I agree with you, but suggest to make that vehicle_d

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Hubert
-1. Using that kind of definition would require to redefine the standard access restrictions or would require to always use access-tags. Plus it characterizations depends mostly on subjective impressions, as Martin already stated. Also ways accessible by foot are nearly always accessible by bic

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 03/08/2015 11:30, johnw wrote: From all the history, it looks like path was made to show some kind of mixed use way that footway was not good at - for mapping useful but unpaved and irregular pathways - trails, tracks, etc. A guy was pushing for this as useful for horses, I think. My

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 19:30:09 +0900 johnw wrote: > I DO NOT WANT path & footway merged - we need to be able to show > rough/informal paths. The problem is that distinction of highway=path and highway=footway is meaningless, like with natural=wood vs landuse=forest as it varies from location to lo

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 03.08.2015 um 17:41 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : > > Changing definitions now is pointless - who is going to resurvey and > verify over 9 million highway=path/footway ways to ensure that it will > fit new definition? +1 for informal paths there is the informal=yes attrib

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread NopMap
I think the highway=trail proposal was right on the point. highway=path was meant as equivalent to footway, cycleway etc and is most often used that way. It's wording is unfortunate as the association with path for many people is an unmade way. So it got mistakenly used for that too, as there is

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-03 Thread John Eldredge
What is the point of quoting someone else without adding any additional comment? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On August 1, 2015 5:04:44 P

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 11:36:15 -0700 (MST) NopMap wrote: > > I think the highway=trail proposal was right on the point. > > highway=path was meant as equivalent to footway, cycleway etc and is > most often used that way. It's wording is unfortunate as the > association with path for many people is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (nutrition_supplements)

2015-08-03 Thread John Eldredge
Did anyone else see this message as containing only headers, but no message contents? That is how it rendered on my system. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luthe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (nutrition_supplements)

2015-08-03 Thread ael
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 02:35:28PM -0500, John Eldredge wrote: > Did anyone else see this message as containing only headers, but no message > contents? That is how it rendered on my system. Same here. Presumably finger trouble? ael ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread johnw
> On Aug 4, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > The problem is that distinction of highway=path and highway=footway is > meaningless, I have a ton of sidewalks to map and a ton of dirt trails in the mountains informal cut-throughs in the grass to map. the distinction is very clea

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 71, Issue 5

2015-08-03 Thread Alberto Chung
I'm not sure what's the way to reply this, sorry about that... - Martin Koppenhoefer: "there's also a tag shop=herbalist" but i think is not the best tag for this, because the supplements can be or can't be herbs and herbalist definition: Shop focused on selling herbs, often for medica

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Warin
On 4/08/2015 1:41 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 19:30:09 +0900 johnw wrote: I DO NOT WANT path & footway merged - we need to be able to show rough/informal paths. The problem is that distinction of highway=path and highway=footway is meaningless, like with natural=wood vs l

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (nutrition_supplements)

2015-08-03 Thread Warin
On 3/08/2015 5:25 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 03.08.2015 um 07:57 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: herbal there's also a tag shop=herbalist Missed that one! :-) Alberto .. I think you should change the 'definition' in your proposal to match the change you