Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 21:01 -0500, John Eldredge wrote: > Also, there are a lot of so-called hobby shops that carry supplies > for decorative crafts such as beading, embroidery, and jewelry > making. > > -- > John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com > "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only ligh

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Colin Smale
Try to understand that there is a serious point being made here. Multi-valued keys always cause arguments on these lists. Unfortunately the forces of nature have decided that some shops fit in multiple categories at the same time, and some roads have multiple ref's and there are plenty of othe

[Tagging] Localities (was: Re: RFD tag:shop=camera?)

2015-06-06 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 06.06.2015 3:56, Warin napisał(a): I have absolutely no objection to locals using their own language names for things but having different icons is surely not a benefit ? It is to the locals. e.g. They may not see 'fast food' as a hamburger! This is a much bigger issu than just icon

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 06.06.2015 um 00:32 schrieb John Willis : > > Shop=hobby > Shop=model trains > Shop=table_gaming > Shop=scale_models > > The better choice (I think) is to create a subkey for hobby and define out > the different shops that way. There can be a lot of hobbies, I wouldn't have put game

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 06.06.2015 um 02:09 schrieb pmailkeey . : > > When will the multi values problem be fixed ? > > What if the value is a range ? Is that a problem too ? 1;2;3;4;5 or is 1-5 > preferred in a contiguous case ? what if the signed housenumber is 63-67, but you won't see any 63, 65 or 67 s

[Tagging] Data metamodels (was: Re: Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model)

2015-06-06 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 06.06.2015 11:29, Colin Smale napisał(a): Time to work towards an updated metamodel, with: * Multiple values (lists of values - sorting out the semicolon business?) Sure! * Complex values (data structures - formalising the namespace syntax?) Any example? I don't know what are you t

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Colin Smale
And how to distinguish a range like 63-67 from a flat number written as 63-67? I.e. flat 67, in a building/complex whose address is 63. Regarding the question whether the range is continuous, or only odd numbers (in this case), I have seen this solved by using a short "interpolation way" withi

Re: [Tagging] Data metamodels

2015-06-06 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-06-06 15:55, Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 06.06.2015 11:29, Colin Smale napisał(a): > >> Time to work towards an updated metamodel, with: >> >> * Multiple values (lists of values - sorting out the semicolon >> business?) > > Sure! > >> * Complex values (data structures - formalising

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 06.06.2015 um 04:33 schrieb John Willis : > > All the double Ls are disappearing. Traveling is a common spelling now. > > Google traveling vs travelling. > > My spell checker marks the double L version as misspelled. double L is British English, one is AE Your spellchecker is likely

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 June 2015 at 02:56, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 6/06/2015 11:13 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > > > On 5 June 2015 at 06:01, Marc Gemis wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:14 AM, John Willis wrote: >> >>> Don't confuse searching for an object with how they are >>> sorted/label

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 June 2015 at 03:33, John Willis wrote: > All the double Ls are disappearing. Traveling is a common spelling now. > > Google traveling vs travelling. > > My spell checker marks the double L version as misspelled. > > surely you mean misspeled ??? The one that really gets me is 'Americanizati

Re: [Tagging] Data metamodels

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 June 2015 at 15:36, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2015-06-06 15:55, Daniel Koć wrote: > > W dniu 06.06.2015 11:29, Colin Smale napisał(a): > > Time to work towards an updated metamodel, with: > > * Multiple values (lists of values - sorting out the semicolon > business?) > > > Sure! > > * Complex

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 June 2015 at 03:09, Andreas Goss wrote: > On 6/6/15 02:51 , pmailkeey . wrote: > > shop=photon - where n is a number on a scale to indicate the range of >> products e.g. : >> >> photo1 - basic point n shoot cameras >> >> photo5 - cameras, lenses, film, printing/developing service, >> knowle

Re: [Tagging] residential granularity / was Re: OSM is ... right ...

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 5 June 2015 at 13:20, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2015-06-05 13:36: > >> Am 05.06.2015 um 11:33 schrieb David Fisher : >>> >>> As for "landuse=residential" -- I agree that we could probably do >>> without it. But it does add to the readability of the map, especially >>>

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 5 June 2015 at 10:33, David Fisher wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:33 AM, pmailkeey . > wrote: > > > > The issue with the 'oneway' key is that the key itself contains 'data' > > relating to the value. Oneway without a value would imply =yes whereas > > building without a value (or =yes) wo

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread jgpacker
> The problem with oneway is the key name - it's 3 letters too long: How is this NOT trolling? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-is-a-right-mess-was-Craigslist-OpenStreetMap-Rendering-Issue-tp5846860p5847385.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at N

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 5 June 2015 at 12:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > Am 05.06.2015 um 11:33 schrieb David Fisher : > > > > As for "landuse=residential" -- I agree that we could probably do > > without it. But it does add to the readability of the map, especially > > at low zoom levels, as it enables

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread Jo
In the same vein: way=0: no way! Better not to lose sleep over 3 letters. Jo > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Warin
On 6/06/2015 11:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 06.06.2015 um 00:32 schrieb John Willis : Shop=hobby Shop=model trains Shop=table_gaming Shop=scale_models The better choice (I think) is to create a subkey for hobby and define out the different shops that way. There can be a lot of h

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 6, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > (table gaming, adventures, Cosplay, ...) in hobby, but in toys. I agree for > subtags. All of those are hobbies. They have dedicated stores for each. They are filled with adults, spending unglodly amounts of money. DnD books an

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread John Eldredge
You are fond of proposing keys with arbitrary numbers as the value, or part of the value. This would be fine if we were using a relational database, where a mapper could select one of a list of human-language descriptions, which would then get translated to the magic number for storage. However,

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread John Willis
I'm Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Some consider Golf, Fishing, Stamp and Coin collecting as hobbies. Any activity that you don't do for a job can be considered a hobby. But some activities fall into broader groups, usually based

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:26 AM, John Eldredge wrote: > > presenting a mapper with a list of choices such as photo1, photo2, and photo3 > is likely to result in corrupted data, due to a mapper picking one at random, Remember the epic discussion on track type? Even with pictu

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-06 Thread John Willis
The root word - spell - has a double L. Travel does not - at least currently it doesn't. I don't know the entomology. Just as Brazil took over Portuguese, and American English is common, eventually the EFL speakers (which greatly outnumber us native speakers) will control the spelling and gram

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread Andreas Goss
On 6/7/15 00:39 , jgpacker wrote: The problem with oneway is the key name - it's 3 letters too long: How is this NOT trolling? Honestly at this point I'm not sure either anymore. I just know it's getting annyoing as fuck... __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wi