Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-09-24 1:21 GMT+02:00 Greg Troxel : > I think the right thing to do is to look to professional geography. > There, there are two separate concepts > > land use: what humans do with the land > > land cover: what is actually there > +1, but I think there are even more concepts to consider.

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-24 1:40 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > One more point against that I have not seen (yet) .. with this > additional tag you can get conflicts e.g. > > Paved=yes > Surface=Unpaved > > Oh .. you want to exclude paved/unpaved from surface? Ok, then we get > > Paved=yes > Surface=

[Tagging] name and brand tags

How these tags should be used? Nameless object, with brand (for example petrol station). IMHO it should be tagged brand=*, without name. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand currently encourages setting brand and name to the same value. Is it really a good idea? Objects without brand, in

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 15:12 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand currently encourages > setting brand and name to the same value. Is it really a good idea? > -1, I agree with you that we shouldn't encourage duplicating values into several keys. > > Objects with

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 15:16 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2014-09-24 15:12 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > >> Objects without brand, in class where brand is typical. >> brand=Independent is popular, what IMHO is a poor idea. >> > maybe "Independent" is a brand name somewhere? If not this tagging is bad.

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 15:35 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > maybe "Independent" is a brand name somewhere? If not this tagging is bad. >> > > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/59O indicates that it is frequently used as > equivalent of > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Noname for brand. > th

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 15:12 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > How these tags should be used? > > > Nameless object, with brand (for example petrol station). > > IMHO it should be tagged brand=*, without name. -1 Besides in my experience petrol stations do have a name, it may not be obvious unt

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

On 09/24/2014 10:22 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: Besides in my experience petrol stations do have a name, it may not be obvious until you are close to the shop. Other than supermarket petrol stations, the name of the petrol station will appear on your receipt, not the name of the oil company. Phil

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

On 24/09/2014 15:24, Richard Welty wrote: true, but are we better off with that in operator= than in name= ? richard Not if they're different. As an example, here's a hotel: http://www.royaloakhotel.com/ The brand is "Best Western". The name is something like "Royal Oak Hotel". The op

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

On 24 September 2014 14:12, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Nameless object, with brand (for example petrol station). > IMHO it should be tagged brand=*, without name. That would cause backwards-compatibility problems for all data consumers, so I think Andy will probably not accept a rendering based o

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 16:22 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > Other than supermarket petrol stations, the name of the petrol station > will appear on your receipt, not the name of the oil company. > typically there are 3 entities that can appear on your receipt / be used in osm tagging: operator - this is requ

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 16:32 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen : > > Nameless object, with brand (for example petrol station). > > IMHO it should be tagged brand=*, without name. > > That would cause backwards-compatibility problems for all data > consumers -1, if the name tag has values that aren't actually the

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > -1, if the name tag has values that aren't actually the name of the tagged > instance it should be removed. This is not about compatibility, but cleaning > up "tagging for the *-data-consumer". It's not tagging the data-consumer/rende

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 17:46 GMT+02:00 Pieren : > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > -1, if the name tag has values that aren't actually the name of the > tagged > > instance it should be removed. This is not about compatibility, but > cleaning > > up "tagging for the *-data-

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Guertin wrote: > landcover=forest > anywhere there's trees on the ground This doesn't agree with my (British English) understanding of the terms; a wood can be small, but a forest is always large. "Small" and "large" being loosely defined, but for

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

> > As per Peewee post - the definition of 'paved' vs 'unpaved' is open to > interpretation. But I don't think anyone would accept 'sand' as being > 'paved'? > I would not call sand "paved" but when we look at e.g.gravel / fine_gravel the opinions will vary. The OSM based Openfietsmap

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-24 18:40 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee : > I would not call sand "paved" but when we look at e.g.gravel / fine_gravel > the opinions will vary. The OSM based Openfietsmap > (cycling map for Garmin devices) > has yet another value called "semi-paved". All based

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-09-24 18:22 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy : > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Guertin > wrote: > > > landcover=forest > > anywhere there's trees on the ground > > This doesn't agree with my (British English) understanding of the > terms; a wood can be small, but a forest is always la

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

No it not a language problem or a dictionary issue. It's about an OSM data consumer (openfietmap) that thinks it is important to for cyclist to know what type of paving can be expected. Paved, unpaved and semi-paved to keep it simple. I think this is OK and it works for me. Cheers Peewee32 201

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

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Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

On 09/24/2014 01:10 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-09-24 18:22 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy : On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Guertin wrote: landcover=forest anywhere there's trees on the ground there is already a proposal in the wiki and the key is in use: http://taginfo.openstreet

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

If we are going to use landcover=forest/wood/ to unify the meaning of "trees on the ground", then the current implementation of forest - the bright green with tree markers - should probably use the same color of "wood" green, as they are all just a large amount of trees. The forest still uses

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

Or make Highway=trunk a little brighter green, so it stands out against the wood even more. On Sep 25, 2014, at 8:59 AM, johnw wrote: > If we are going to use landcover=forest/wood/ to unify the meaning of "trees > on the ground", then the current implementation of forest - the bright green

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

I'm pretty sure operator=Batman wouldn't work for name=Batman's Good Food, which is brand=Phillips 66... On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > > On 09/24/2014 10:22 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > >> Besides in my experience petrol stations do have a name, it may not be >> obvious u

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:54 AM, wrote: > Toll? I assume that means the same in US English as in UK English? > Yes, as in you need to pay a fee to travel on it to use it. > You really have to pay to use cycleways? How is the toll collected and > enforced? > I've encountered them in a couple p

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

There's historic precident outside Kansas as well. What is now the Arroyo Seco Freeway in LA originally opened as a pinewood, limited access, elevated bicycle tollway under the name of California Cycleway sometime around 1890. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:32 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > I am Amer