Re: [Tagging] RFC: Proposed Node Relation

2014-07-10 Thread Pieren
I think here you just try to compensate the missing 'z' component in OSM. I don't see any problem to have over two elements on the same position if they have different "ele" or "layer" values. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org ht

[Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
There are some values of shop key that seem to be synonymous with other tags and I want to confirm whatever it is true. Unless mentioned otherwise all mentioned tags are values of key shop, numeric values is occurrence count according to taginfo. Before -> are values that IMHO should be replaced by

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Proposed Node Relation

2014-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 10/lug/2014 um 10:09 schrieb Pieren : > > I don't see any problem to have over two elements on the same > position if they have different "ele" or "layer" values. I think from a practical point of view these situations are problematic, both for creation and selection of these nodes. Edit

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 10/lug/2014 um 11:00 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : > > In cases of confirmed synonymity I will create feature request on JOSM > bugtracker to add conversion rules into validator (currently no values from > this list are handled). > ___ I'd be careful with fishmonger vs sea

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 10/lug/2014 um 11:19 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > > I'd be careful with fishmonger vs seafood (is the latter OK for someone who > only sells fresh water fish?) also shop=fish might be used for pets (fish only)? ___ Tagging mailing list Taggi

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Dan S
Thanks for your work Mateusz! 2014-07-10 10:21 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : >> Am 10/lug/2014 um 11:19 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : >> >> I'd be careful with fishmonger vs seafood (is the latter OK for someone who >> only sells fresh water fish?) > > also shop=fish might be used for pets (fis

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
> Although since the rules are for josm validation so will be checked by > a human, I guess that's low-risk right? I thought about JOSM validator rule with fix button, so it would not be safe to assume that it will be carefully checked (the same type of rule as [natural=marsh] to [natural=wetland,

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > There are some values of shop key that seem to be synonymous with other tags > and I want to confirm whatever it is true. > Unless mentioned otherwise all mentioned tags are values of key shop, > numeric values is occurrence count accordi

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 10/lug/2014 um 11:50 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : > > According to Wikipedia "In North America, although not generally > in the United Kingdom, the term "seafood" is extended to fresh water > organisms eaten by humans, so all edible aquatic life may be referred > to as seafood.". we are

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
> A deli and a delicatessen are not the same thing. I'd say a > delicatessen is a cuisine of restaurant, and a deli is a type of shop. Is it really applying to objects with shop=delicatessen? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lis

[Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I am thinking about marking tagging roads with separate carriageways. I want to create map with oneway roads, but in OSM data roads with separate carriageways that are not oneway are frequently represented as separate ways, both tagged as oneway. Adding tag that that would describe way as part of

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-10 Thread SomeoneElse
On 10/07/2014 10:50, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: According to Wikipedia "In North America, although not generally in the United Kingdom, the term "seafood" is extended to fresh water organisms eaten by humans, so all edible aquatic life may be referred to as seafood.". We really, really, can't r

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Richard Mann
I did manage to do it (reasonably accurately) by algorithm for the UK, but it was a bit of a pain. Adding dual_carriageway=yes tags, particularly in urban areas, wouldn't hurt. Richard On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I am thinking about marking tagging roads with

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
> > I did manage to do it (reasonably accurately) by algorithm for the UK, but > it was a bit of a pain. > Can you share it? Currently I have absolutely no idea how to solve case of link type roads that are not really links ( cases like https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/182138211 ). __

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Richard Mann
I think I just ignored very short links, so I don't think it would help in that case. Very roughly, I calculated the bearing of each way, and matched up ones that were within a few metres laterally and a few degrees of 180deg of each other. Richard On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Mateusz Koni

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Proposed Node Relation

2014-07-10 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Martin, at a first glance I thought you're joking with this proposal. Editor software often fuses nodes on the same coordinate, that's right unfortunately, but it's not a problem of nodes being on the same spot, but a bug in the editors. The handling of relations in most cases is even more comp

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Beach routing

2014-07-10 Thread Bryan Housel
I say go ahead and add it, though `highway=track` (with appropriate access tag) might make more sense if vehicles drive along the beach. Here in NJ, people have also been mapping the paths that lead down to the beach from the boardwalks, but they generally aren’t connected. I’m a runner, so I

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Proposed Node Relation

2014-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-07-10 12:52 GMT+02:00 Peter Wendorff : > And: Why restrict to > nodes? why not use a way relation as well for ways sharing the same spot > (e.g. tram and highway, communication cables and water tubes, ...) > yes, there is also room for a way-relation, completely agree. Don't need it current

[Tagging] Follow up on destination= and destination:ref=

2014-07-10 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, (I am sorry if this message appears twice - I wasn't yet subscribed to this list with my Telenav account.) I posted about destination= and destination:ref= a few days ago, linking to my diary entry. I have since received a lot of useful comments. I just wanted to bump this topic because all t

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-07-10 12:20 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > I am thinking about marking tagging roads with separate carriageways. I > want to create map with oneway roads, but in OSM data roads with separate > carriageways that are not oneway are frequently represented as separate > ways, both tagged as onew

Re: [Tagging] Follow up on destination= and destination:ref=

2014-07-10 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! 2014-07-10 15:43 GMT+02:00 Martijn van Exel : > Here at Telenav, we have now adopted destination= and destination:ref= > for signpost information. > Great news! I just came back from my holidays where we used Skobbler (I guess you know it ;-) ) for navigation and it was hell. Skobbler desper

Re: [Tagging] Follow up on destination= and destination:ref=

2014-07-10 Thread Van Exel, Martijn
Hi Martin, and others, I need to clarify that for the time being the Skobbler apps use a different engine than the Scout U.S. apps. My work is focused mostly on the Scout U.S. apps for now, and the improvements I am working on will only benefit Scout U.S. for now. That said, we are working on

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Proposed Node Relation

2014-07-10 Thread fly
Am 09.07.2014 23:49, schrieb Janko Mihelić: > Should there be a relation with type=way? For when you need a way that > is not an area over an existing way. Example would be a fence that is > put on a wall. There is already a proposal for type=multilinestring [1]. I use it occasionally to map barr

Re: [Tagging] Rendering for mappers

2014-07-10 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 July 2014 20:44, Daniel Koć wrote: > I have no preference which general map should be default - the "beauty" one > or the "working" one - but two "beauty" maps and no "working" one makes no > sense to me. I remember having seem an adaptation of the Mapnik style, but with extra tags added, ex

Re: [Tagging] Follow up on destination= and destination:ref=

2014-07-10 Thread fly
Am 10.07.2014 15:43, schrieb Martijn van Exel: > Hi, > > (I am sorry if this message appears twice - I wasn't yet subscribed to > this list with my Telenav account.) > > I posted about destination= and destination:ref= a few days ago, > linking to my diary entry. I have since received a lot of us

Re: [Tagging] Follow up on destination= and destination:ref=

2014-07-10 Thread Johan C
Martijn, great to hear that Telenav will be using the destination keys. Since this tagging will only be used for informational purposes to the motorist (routing won't be affected) I recommend to tag all info on the signposts, like the signs, and not only the destination and destination:ref. Example

Re: [Tagging] Track grades

2014-07-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Jesse Crawford wrote: > > As a second but similar question, off-highway vehicles are a popular > pasttime here and there are many tracks intended for ATVs or dirtbikes, not > wide enough for SUVs. Is there a best practice for tagging these types of > paths? > I ha

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread John F. Eldredge
I am confused. You state that the road is divided into two carriageways, that neither carriageway is one-way, and also that each carriageway is one-way. How can a given carriageway be both one-way and not one-way at the same time? On July 10, 2014 5:20:16 AM CDT, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Road itself is not oneway as it has two one-way carriageways in opposite directions. Carriageways are mapped in OSM as separate one-way ways. 2014-07-10 21:32 GMT+02:00 John F. Eldredge : > I am confused. You state that the road is divided into two carriageways, > that neither carriageway is one

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Jesse Crawford
An example situation is visible here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/34.05688/-106.89005 Both California St and the nearby I-25 are two-way streets made up of two parallel one-way streets. This has the advantage of thorough data, but it introduces two issues that I see: 1) Information on cr

Re: [Tagging] Track grades

2014-07-10 Thread Ole Nielsen
On 09/07/2014 01:08, David Bannon wrote: I don't really care exactly how it is done as long as we end up with a clear model advising people whether or not they should attempt a particular road. I have posted references to lost lives as a result of bad decisions. Its easier to get people to take

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Jesse Crawford wrote: > An example situation is visible here: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/34.05688/-106.89005 > > Both California St and the nearby I-25 are two-way streets made up of two > parallel one-way streets. This has the advantage of thorough data