Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread David Bannon
Good on you Dave, I do like a good rant ! On Mon, 2014-03-17 at 10:47 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: > IMO tracktype should describe the physical > characteristics of a track, not a highway, and it should have nothing > to do with "how well maintained" it is. Great in an ideal world Dave. Ho

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 17/mar/2014 um 04:47 schrieb Dave Swarthout : > > A track is a track (a rough road or trail, unpaved, mostly un-maintained) > suitable for light use only, and is never a highway. actually in osm a track is a way for agricultural and forestry purposes (if fishing had more importance in t

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-17 Thread johnw
Martin - I realized that somewhere, I got confused about landuse=retail/residential/ etc and amenity=school I started thinking there was landuse=school & landuse=hospital when there isn't. So my previous comments probably made no sense. I'm really sorry about that. You are exactly right sug

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Dave Swarthout
I knew I would be opening Pandora's box when I made those statements. As for tracks, I should have prefaced my remarks with *In My Opinion* — I am well aware that it's too late to change the current situation. I would still argue that smoothness is a valuable parameter. Ignoring speed limits and s

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-16 23:11 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar : > I'd like to clarify what I said before that landuse=civic_admin would be > useful. It would be useful for tagging the only the compounds where > government offices are located (townhall, courthouse, etc.). I am not > suggesting that schools and h

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 17/mar/2014 um 11:51 schrieb johnw : > > So, now that I understand that the building type should be an amenity=, > and the basic amenity tag can also show landuse, I will start to think about > a few new amenity=tags for civic buildings. actually the building type goes into "buildi

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 17/mar/2014 um 11:51 schrieb johnw : > > But for building complexes that include the townhall, would you still default > to commerical? isn't there a need for a tag like "landuse=institutional" or > something? well, commercial was suggested for areas with offices on them, out of the ex

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 16/mar/2014 um 22:07 schrieb Fernando Trebien : > > One question: do you think that an almost flat natural rock path > should be tracktype=grade1 (because it's closer to "compacted") or > tracktype=grade5 (because it's not "constructed")? I think this depends how even/smooth it is, grade1 is

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM, John Willis wrote: > Since OSM uses British English, what word would you pair with road, as in > "dirt road?" > > Earthen road? > > Inquiring minds want to know. Either "compacted earth road" (more specific) or "unsurfaced road" (which I prefer); or "green lane"

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Fernando Trebien
But if the surface is rocky or stone, can it really be described as "surface of gravel mixed with a varying amount of sand, silt, and clay" (grade2) or "even mixture of hard and soft materials" (grade3) and so on? On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Am 16/mar/2014 um 2

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Fernando Trebien
Two subjective opinions that agree create "consensus", this is I believe what we seek in OSM when defining tags. Replacing 'stiffness' with something else is absolutely fine with me. I think the word we replace it with will essentially be the definition of tracktype. I'm sure I'm not the best perso

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread johnw
On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Fernando Trebien wrote: > Replacing 'stiffness' > with something else is absolutely fine with me. What about firmness? soundness? Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Fernando Trebien
"Firmness" sounds good to me: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firmness I know that "soundness" means the same but has some additional meanings (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soundness), "firmness" is more specific. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, johnw wrote: > > > > On Ma

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread Dave Swarthout
Yes, I agree firmness works better than stiffness for describing a surface. I still would prefer a term that better characterizes what Fernando said above: "To me, the idea [of] a firm/soft mixture seems closely related to "how well maintained" the track/road is, as mixtures that are not so durable