Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 07.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Richard Welty: On 10/7/13 1:08 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: I remember seeing such a "cyclists must dismount" on the narrow footway of a bridge over the James River, in Richmond, Virginia, USA. Not only was the footway narrow, [...] there's a cyclists must dismount s

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 08.10.2013 20:16, schrieb Volker Schmidt: Just for your reference - while for many cases, I agree that bicycle=no is appropriate, there are quite interesting cycleways in the Czech Republic, where using bicycle=dismount for nodes on a path would make things easier for

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 7 October 2013 17:09, fly wrote: > I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways. > > At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the > existence of some. I don't think the issue here is really whether there is a need within instances of "no cycling" to distingu

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) > f bicycle=* is currently widely used to express access rights for > cycling, then I'd suggest we leave it like that, as it does the job > pretty well. > +1 > Rather than trying to add additional values to this key > to capture access rigths for pushed

Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about "emergency=aed" or "emergency=defibrillator"

2013-10-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > On the units I've seen in the wild the term "aed" or "AED" appears in nearly > every case, but the word "defibrillator" is frequently absent. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Andrew Errington > Yup, in Japan they are *everywhere*, with orange

Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about "emergency=aed" or "emergency=defibrillator"

2013-10-09 Thread Andrew Errington
On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 18:06:52 Pieren wrote: > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > On the units I've seen in the wild the term "aed" or "AED" appears in > > nearly every case, but the word "defibrillator" is frequently absent. > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Andrew Erringto

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-10-09 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Bryce, Did you mean you find the proposal a bit difficult to understand ? Yes it is. Nevertheless, many of tagging is optional, I can edit the document to show it in a more understandable way. This proposal doesn't prevent mappers to map large overhead transmission lines as landmark if they wa

[Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Tobias
Hi, I wonder if there is somebody interested in tagging large areas. I started tagging some highlands, because there is nothing compareable to this. Tagging highlands might be not so much about ground survey, because there are usually no borders with a label, but they seem to be obviously necessa

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 Tobias > Do you have any suggestions for the tagging? this is a topic discussed several times in precedence, you can find discussions here and also on talk-de (your email suggests you understand German). Basically our data model is not very suited to tag large areas, and these topo

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread John F. Eldredge
Georg Feddern wrote: > Am 07.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Richard Welty: > > On 10/7/13 1:08 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > >> I remember seeing such a "cyclists must dismount" on the narrow > >> footway of a bridge over the James River, in Richmond, Virginia, > USA. > >> Not only was the footway narrow,

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Richard Welty
> Georg Feddern wrote: > > Am 07.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Richard Welty: > > On 10/7/13 1:08 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > > I remember seeing such a "cyclists must dismount" on the > narrow footway of a bridge over the James River, in > Richmond, Vir

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 John F. Eldredge > I think bicycle=no would be clearer in meaning. > you can insist on this, but we are not starting to map right now, and given that "bicycle" has the longstanding meaning of "cyclist" in osm, your proposal would imply a change on this meaning --- a tag that is used 4

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Michael Krämer
2013/10/9 Martin Koppenhoefer > this is a topic discussed several times in precedence, you can find > discussions here and also on talk-de (your email suggests you understand > German). > > Another starting point could be the following (abandoned) proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relat

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Philip Barnes
Can happen where pedestrians and stopping are prohibited, but cycling is allowed. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 09/10/2013 14:55 John F. Eldredge wrote: Georg Feddern wrote: Am 07.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Richard Welty: On 10/7/13 1:08 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: I remember s

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 Michael Krämer > 2013/10/9 Martin Koppenhoefer > >> this is a topic discussed several times in precedence, you can find >> discussions here and also on talk-de (your email suggests you understand >> German). >> >> Another starting point could be the following (abandoned) proposal > htt

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Tobias
>>> this is a topic discussed several times in precedence, you can find >>> discussions here and also on talk-de (your email suggests you understand >>> German). >>> >>> Another starting point could be the following (abandoned) proposal >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Regio

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Michael Krämer wrote: > Another starting point could be the following (abandoned) proposal > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Region and its > discussion page. Bad idea. Replace "region" by "boundary" or "multipolygon" and you get it. Not reall

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Tobias
> this is a topic discussed several times in precedence, you can find > discussions here and also on talk-de (your email suggests you understand > German). I read the last discussion about "natural"/"mapping large areas" a little bit. Actually my preparation was mainly based on the missing cont

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread John F. Eldredge
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2013/10/9 John F. Eldredge > > > I think bicycle=no would be clearer in meaning. > > > > > you can insist on this, but we are not starting to map right now, and > given > that "bicycle" has the longstanding meaning of "cyclist" in osm, your > proposal would imply a

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 Tobias > > It might be a better idea to start a parallel project (e.g. with > shapefiles > > in a more adequate scale), e.g. starting with natural earths physical > > dataset and adding translations and refinements. This dataset could be > > crowdsourced and distributed in a license com

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 John F. Eldredge > After I posted this message, I read another message suggesting > bicycle:push=no, which is a better suggestion than bicycle=no. I still believe that something along "foot:bicycle-pushing=no" would be better, as a cyclist who dismounted his bicycle is not a cyclist

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
btw.: here you can find maps with the natural regions (apparently complete) of Germany in 1:200.000. There is a copyright hint: © ehemaliges Institut für Landeskunde, mit freundlicher Genehmigung des Bundesinstituts für Bau-, Stadt- und Raumforschung

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread John F. Eldredge
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2013/10/9 John F. Eldredge > > > After I posted this message, I read another message suggesting > > bicycle:push=no, which is a better suggestion than bicycle=no. > > > > I still believe that something along "foot:bicycle-pushing=no" would > be > better, as a cycl

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Michael Krämer
Am 09.10.2013 16:32, schrieb Pieren: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Michael Krämer wrote: Another starting point could be the following (abandoned) proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Region and its discussion page. Bad idea. Replace "region" by "boundary" or "mult

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Michael Krämer wrote: > Regarding the idea itself I agree with Martin: I do not think something > large scale and fuzzy like the Black Forest should be mapped in the database > at all. If you think about this a bit longer it would totally be reasonable > to create

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Michael Krämer
Am 09.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Pieren: I agree with you but they are already in the database, e.g. the Alps: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2698607 In fact that's a pretty good example for me: I think the line is at least off by a few kilometers near the western part of the German

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 Pieren > I agree with you but they are already in the database, e.g. the Alps: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2698607 > yes, I am aware of that, but decided to ignore them. My guess is that they will soon be broken and repeatedly be broken until at some point it will b