[Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I want to raise attention to this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Building_attributes which most of you certainly are aware of. This page is pretending to be a proposal page, but actually has become mostly a documentation page for several application programmers to docum

Re: [Tagging] Site of Community Importance

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/2/8 SomeoneElse : > Volker Schmidt wrote: >> >> How do I tag a Site of Community Importance (see >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_of_Community_Importance)? > > > A few people have gone for: > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/designation=site_of_special_scientific_interest > for SSSIs

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/02/2012 13:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 6. building:levelPlan=* What each storey is used for, Examples: 0-2: shop, 3-12: residential; 0: restaurant, 1: residential; -1: unused, 0: lobby, 1: restuarant, 2-12: offices, 13: unused, 14-66: offices -> missleading key (one would expect a link

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald
Am 08.02.2012 um 15:38 schrieb Colin Smale : > On 08/02/2012 13:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> 6. building:levelPlan=*What each storey is used for, Examples: 0-2: >> shop, 3-12: residential; 0: restaurant, 1: residential; -1: unused, 0: >> lobby, 1: restuarant, 2-12: offices, 13: unused

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald
What you describe is proposed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lanes_General_Extension Martin Am 08.02.2012 um 15:38 schrieb Colin Smale : > On 08/02/2012 13:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> 6. building:levelPlan=*What each storey is used for, Examples: 0-2: >>

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I want to raise attention to this page: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Building_attributes > > which most of you certainly are aware of. This page is pretending to > be a proposal page, but actually has become mo

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/02/2012 16:00, Martin Vonwald wrote: What you describe is proposed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lanes_General_Extension Martin Martin, I had looked at your proposal, and I can see some similarities and some differences. Both of us would like to have a gener

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald
> I suggest putting the "lanes" qualifier in front, > allowing arbitrary tag hierarchies to follow at a fixed location. This was suggested, but dropped for better readability: see "Default values; minimise ambiguity" on the Discussion page. > You introduce a new tag "applies_to" to limit the lane

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 08/feb/2012 um 17:03 schrieb John Sturdy : > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> 5. building:min_level=* Number of stories between ground and actual >> first existing floor >> -> I'd completely discourage usage of this key, and suggest to >> estimate the ele

Re: [Tagging] Site of Community Importance

2012-02-08 Thread Jason Cunningham
A 'site of special scientific interest' is different to a 'site of community importance', at least in the UK. A 'site of community importance' appears to be a way for the EU to notify a member countries that a piece of land should be designated a SAC. There doesn't appear to be an agreed way to map

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/02/2012 17:52, Martin Vonwald wrote: I suggest putting the "lanes" qualifier in front, allowing arbitrary tag hierarchies to follow at a fixed location. This was suggested, but dropped for better readability: see "Default values; minimise ambiguity" on the Discussion page. Yes, I see that

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
> 4. building:levels=*Number of stories of the building above ground. >-> why only above ground? I find this missleading as well. The logical >meaning of a tag "building:levels" would be "the total amount of >building levels". If it is for the levels above ground, why not >building:levels:abov

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/2/8 Kytömaa Lauri : > IMO this is a "make mapping easy" choise (vs. "code requires sticking > to definitions, even if it is against day to day speak"): you can get a > random mapper to count the windows and have them enter that. > If one > asks people if a building is a, say, six-storey buildi

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/2/8 Colin Smale : > On 08/02/2012 16:00, Martin Vonwald wrote: > question of syntax rather than concept. What triggered my post was actually > a comment by Martin K who also felt a need for multi-value tags (i.e. > arrays) in the context of the floors within a building. I think you got me wr

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/2/8 Martin Vonwald : > That is a very bad idea. Splitting the way would mean, that there is > no possiblity to switch between the lanes (as they are separated), > which in reality often is not correct. This would also break routing. you could have a relation to say that there is a linear pos

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/8/2012 2:25 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The lane-case is a little different though, because if you have multiple values there (plus a definition from where to start) you won't need lane numbering. For buildings you will have unambigous numbers for the floors anyway, and they are the usual

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 08.02.2012 um 18:48 schrieb Colin Smale : > On 08/02/2012 17:52, Martin Vonwald wrote: >>> I suggest putting the "lanes" qualifier in front, >>> allowing arbitrary tag hierarchies to follow at a fixed location. >> This was suggested, but dropped for better readability: see "Default >> values; m

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Bryce2 Nesbitt
> > Colons in keys are likely to make many casual mappers uneasy about > > editing said tag, let alone two of them in one key. > Casual mappers seem an unlikely target for this particular type of highly technical mapping. That said: The 3D mapping by tags is interesting. But anothe

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 08.02.2012 um 20:38 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > you could have a relation to say that there is a linear possibility to > switch between the lanes (proposed area relation). This would make > some things much easier (we could use standard tags on the ways and it > would be clear without count

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/02/2012 20:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/2/8 Colin Smale: On 08/02/2012 16:00, Martin Vonwald wrote: question of syntax rather than concept. What triggered my post was actually a comment by Martin K who also felt a need for multi-value tags (i.e. arrays) in the context of the floors

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/02/2012 21:03, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/8/2012 2:25 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The lane-case is a little different though, because if you have multiple values there (plus a definition from where to start) you won't need lane numbering. For buildings you will have unambigous numbers

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/8/2012 3:14 PM, Bryce2 Nesbitt wrote: > Colons in keys are likely to make many casual mappers uneasy about > editing said tag, let alone two of them in one key. Casual mappers seem an unlikely target for this particular type of highly technical mapping. Adding the number of fl

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/8/2012 3:47 PM, Colin Smale wrote: For building floors, are there any cultures which number their floors downwards? The Troglodytes. There is of course the common leaving off of the 13th floor. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 08/02/2012 22:00, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/8/2012 3:47 PM, Colin Smale wrote: For building floors, are there any cultures which number their floors downwards? The Troglodytes. :-D There is of course the common leaving off of the 13th floor. Mentioned that a couple of posts ago: Flo