Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Sturdy wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:28 AM, André Riedel wrote: > >> As the creator of the proposal I do not like your proposed key/value >> entrance=public_transport. >> The tag should show the importance of an entrance and not what you >> will find be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread André Riedel
2011/10/14 Erik Johansson : > If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little > use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit  about what you > mean. You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station as entrance=yes/main BUT only together with a correspondending bui

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/14/2011 01:00 PM, André Riedel wrote: If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit about what you mean. You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station as entrance=yes/main BUT only together with a co

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Erik Johansson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Sturdy wrote: >> Definitely.  I think it would be good, wherever possible, to stick to >> the idea of the value of a tag "subclassing" the key, so that >> building=* indicates what kind of building,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be able > to tag their entrances? That seems logical to me. Is there some problem with doing this, that I haven't seen? I know that it would be possible to have a stati

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/14/2011 01:18 PM, John Sturdy wrote: Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be able to tag their entrances? That seems logical to me. Is there some problem with doing this, that I haven't seen? Sorry, I forgot that a subway station does not always hav

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 10/14/2011 7:35 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Tagging an above-ground subway station as a building is common practice. For underground buildings, things are more difficult; we don't have an established way of recording the fact that they are below the surface. layer=-1 doesn't cut it as it is only

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/14/2011 01:18 PM, John Sturdy wrote: >>> >>> Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be >>> able >>> to tag their entrances? >> >> That seems logical to me.  Is there some problem with doing this, t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John F. Eldredge
"André Riedel" wrote: > 2011/10/14 Erik Johansson : > > If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little > > use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit  about what you > > mean. > > You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station as > entrance=yes/main BUT onl

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > > In the case of a subway station, this will mean that the station's area will > need to underlay other mapped objects, and the mapper will need to map the > access tunnels as well as the station proper. Burrr! Openstreetmap is not mad

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, André Riedel wrote: > 2011/10/14 Erik Johansson : >> If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little >> use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit  about what you >> mean. > > You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station as >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/10/14 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > On 10/14/2011 01:18 PM, John Sturdy wrote: >>> >>> Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be >>> able >>> to tag their entrances? >> >> That seems logical to me.  Is there some problem with doing this, that >> I haven't seen? > > So

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > What about covered=yes? > or underground=yes which could be a simple filter for all of us who don't want to be disturbed by underground features during edition. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Pieren wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> >> What about covered=yes? >> > > or underground=yes which could be a simple filter for all of us who > don't want to be disturbed by underground features during edition. Well, we al

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/10/14 John Sturdy : > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Pieren wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer >> wrote: >>> What about covered=yes? >> or underground=yes which could be a simple filter for all of us who >> don't want to be disturbed by underground features duri

[Tagging] Key "location" (was "Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*")

2011-10-14 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Well, we already have location=underground established (see >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location) and I think it would >> be a pity to have more than one way of indicating that something is >> underground. > 'established

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 10/14/2011 9:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The established way is covered, at least it has a definition in the wiki and dates back to 2009 + it is used more often (covered, usage: "C. denote an area such as an underground parking lot, a covered reservoir/cistern or even such things as an a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/10/14 Nathan Edgars II : > On 10/14/2011 9:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Covered doesn't mean something is underground, just that it has a roof on > top. For example a road passing through a building at ground level would be > covered=yes. covered doesn't necessarily mean that sth. is

Re: [Tagging] Key "location" (was "Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*")

2011-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/10/14 Pieren : > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >>> Well, we already have location=underground established (see >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location) and I think it would >>> be a pity to have more than one way of indicating that something is >>>

Re: [Tagging] Key "location" (was "Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*")

2011-10-14 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>'established' is a big word. I'm surprised by the taginfo stats. I >never used this tag myself and I don't remember if it was really >discussed in the international lists. It is in the wiki since July. Taginfo won't show the combinations at the moment, but location=* is, afaik, used on ways with

Re: [Tagging] Key "location"

2011-10-14 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
Left out a significant word by mistake: >is, afaik, *mostly* used on ways with man_made=pipeline and nodes The fire hydrant page now suggests fire_hydrant:type=underground/wall etc., but many old mappers try to avoid type=* as a key - or as a part of a key. -- Alv __

Re: [Tagging] Key "location" (was "Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*")

2011-10-14 Thread Pieren
2011/10/14 Kytömaa Lauri : > Taginfo won't show the combinations at the moment, but location=* > is, afaik, used on ways with man_made=pipeline and nodes tagged > amenity/emergency=fire_hydrant. Yes but the proposal is now to extend its usage to everything under ground. To be honest, I'm not aware

Re: [Tagging] Key "location"

2011-10-14 Thread Pieren
> The fire hydrant page now suggests fire_hydrant:type=underground/wall etc., > but many old mappers try to avoid type=* as a key - or as a part of a > key. As an old mapper, you should also avoid the key "location" since the location is stored in the nodes lat/lon coordinates... Pieren

Re: [Tagging] Key "location"

2011-10-14 Thread John F. Eldredge
Pieren wrote: > > The fire hydrant page now suggests > fire_hydrant:type=underground/wall etc., > > but many old mappers try to avoid type=* as a key - or as a part of > a > > key. > > As an old mapper, you should also avoid the key "location" since the > location is stored in the nodes lat/lon

Re: [Tagging] Key "location" (was "Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*")

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Pieren wrote: > 2011/10/14 Kytömaa Lauri : >> Taginfo won't show the combinations at the moment, but location=* >> is, afaik, used on ways with man_made=pipeline and nodes tagged >> amenity/emergency=fire_hydrant. > > Yes but the proposal is now to extend its usage

Re: [Tagging] Key "location"

2011-10-14 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Pieren wrote: > > > As an old mapper, you should also avoid the key "location" since the > > location is stored in the nodes lat/lon coordinates... > > In the case of underground structures such as subway stations > (Underground stations in UK par