Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Pieren
n Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: I was thinking about something similar excepted one important thing : I think that many contributors don't like to break the way in many small segments just for turning lanes. I think that adding a simple node when the turning lane appears would b

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Ilya Zverev
e.g. trunk_turnlanes:left:forward=1 meaning that from this point we have a left turning lane till the next intersection with a trunk highway ('forward' or 'backward' being relative to the osm way direction as usual). So, are you suggesting to use :forward/backward on nodes? I don't think that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>The tag lanes should be reserved for the straight >forward lanes. At a T-junction, the road ending there would then be lanes=0, given that wording. Nice. >As a result, we just add a node for a minor information and do not >damage the existing highways. There's bound to be, eventually, enormous

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: > So, are you suggesting to use :forward/backward on nodes? I don't think that > would go well. It is worse that using relations, since the node is > implicitly related with a) direction of a way; b) the fact that way is not > split at that point

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011, Pieren wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > The big problem is that mappers think splitting ways is damaging them. Why? > > It's just painful to work with many small segments (to add or rename > tags or use route relations). People editing on such

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Pieren
2011/10/6 Kytömaa Lauri : > What value does it add, to try to keep the roads from being split midblock? For the same reasons why the first OSM api had "segments" and was replaced by "ways". It makes editing and maintenance painful, you don't see where your street is starting and finishing. Relati

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011, Kytömaa Lauri wrote: > >The tag lanes should be reserved for the straight > >forward lanes. > > At a T-junction, the road ending there would then be > lanes=0, given that wording. Nice. ...And it gets even funnier if you have an intersection where all those straight forward la

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. Some remarks have been mentioned here already, why this proposal is not well designed. Another one is, that it's tackling the lanes-problem, but not solving it. You propose something for turning lanes - but again restrict it to cars. The talk page in the wiki contains a question about cycle

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Ilya Zverev
Peter Wendorff wrote: Some remarks have been mentioned here already, why this proposal is not well designed. Another one is, that it's tackling the lanes-problem, but not solving it. You propose something for turning lanes - but again restrict it to cars. It was not my decision, but was the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > however, it should not be solved using some data klugde but > making the tasks you mention easy to do in editors even if the ways would > contain only two nodes each. Making the task easier in editor does not work if your schema is complex.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011, Pieren wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Ilpo Järvinen > wrote: > > however, it should not be solved using some data klugde but > > making the tasks you mention easy to do in editors even if the ways would > > contain only two nodes each. > > Making the task easier in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Turn Lanes

2011-10-06 Thread Ilya Zverev
Pieren wrote: Making the task easier in editor does not work if your schema is complex. You can see the current turning lane plugin on JOSM.. . Yes, actually, that plugin along with the proposal is what made me do it in the first place. The plugin makes the tagging scheme look simple, when it