[Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-19 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
(sorry to break the thread one more time, but there's no way to reply in-thread when you didn't have mail delivery enabled when the previous mails were sent) Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >+1, maybe we should specify that lanes is about car-lanes (restricted >lanes like bus-lanes or cycle-lanes shoul

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/19 Kytömaa Lauri : > "Lane" means any one of the longitudinal strips into which the carriageway > is divisible, whether or not defined by longitudinal road markings, which > is wide enough for one moving line of motor vehicles other than motor > cycles; OK, this would exclude cyclelanes. T

[Tagging] Use cases: where would a count of all lanes be useful?

2011-09-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Can someone give an example of a case where the number of lanes, including turning lanes, on a road would be more useful than just the through lanes, and where another tag (such as width) would not be even more useful? I'm unable to think of such a case. ___

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-19 Thread Anthony
2011/9/19 Kytömaa Lauri : > If there is one globally accepted definition of what a lane is, it's the > one in the UN Vienna Convention on road signs and signals: > > "Lane" means any one of the longitudinal strips into which the carriageway > is divisible, whether or not defined by longitudinal roa

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-19 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/9/19 Kytömaa Lauri : >> "Lane" means any one of the longitudinal strips into which the carriageway >> is divisible, whether or not defined by longitudinal road markings, which >> is wide enough for one moving line of motor vehicles

Re: [Tagging] Use cases: where would a count of all lanes be useful?

2011-09-19 Thread Gerhard Hermanns
Am 19.09.2011 13:29, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Can someone give an example of a case where the number of lanes, including turning lanes, on a road would be more useful than just the through lanes, and where another tag (such as width) would not be even more useful? I'm unable to think of such a

Re: [Tagging] Use cases: where would a count of all lanes be useful?

2011-09-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/19/2011 10:39 AM, Gerhard Hermanns wrote: Am 19.09.2011 13:29, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Can someone give an example of a case where the number of lanes, including turning lanes, on a road would be more useful than just the through lanes, and where another tag (such as width) would not be e

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/19 Anthony : > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> 2011/9/19 Kytömaa Lauri : >>> "Lane" means any one of the longitudinal strips into which the carriageway >>> is divisible, whether or not defined by longitudinal road markings, which >>> is wide enough for one m

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > Probably the tag will change meaning when applied to a cycleway > compared to a street. sorry for the inaccuracy, intended that the definition for a lane on a cycleway should be different (regarding the width) to that of a street, not that there is a change in me

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-19 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>> one in the UN Vienna Convention on road signs and signals: >> >> is divisible, whether or not defined by longitudinal road markings, which >So, this includes "parking lanes"? Or am I misreading it? It's international legal text, so you'd need a lawyer, the orignal texts and the preliminary

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-19 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>> lanes:bus:times=Mo-Fr 07:00-18:00 >this IMHO is not clear whether in the rest of the time the lane is >completely closed or open also to other traffic. Do such lanes exist, which are off limits to all at times and bus/psv only at others? Iif they do, one could go on and add, OTTOMH, lanes:bus

Re: [Tagging] Use cases: where would a count of all lanes be useful?

2011-09-19 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>wouldn't it be easier to tag directly how long each turn lane is for >each approach rather than splitting the way in several places? Tagging geometry when you can have the geometry as geometric entities? From a usability perspective that's bad, it's mixing totally different mental models. And it

Re: [Tagging] Use cases: where would a count of all lanes be useful?

2011-09-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/19/2011 2:05 PM, Kytömaa Lauri wrote: wouldn't it be easier to tag directly how long each turn lane is for each approach rather than splitting the way in several places? Tagging geometry when you can have the geometry as geometric entities? From a usability perspective that's bad, it's mix

Re: [Tagging] Use cases: where would a count of all lanes be useful?

2011-09-19 Thread Jo
That's how the JOSM turnlanes plugin helps to tag it. It neatly describes the length of the turn lanes and where they lead the traffic to in a bunch of relations. The only thing missing from it is a way to indicate where exactly the turn lane starts (instead of making an estimation in meters). Jo

Re: [Tagging] Use cases: where would a count of all lanes be useful?

2011-09-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/19/2011 3:28 PM, Jo wrote: That's how the JOSM turnlanes plugin helps to tag it. It neatly describes the length of the turn lanes and where they lead the traffic to in a bunch of relations. The only thing missing from it is a way to indicate where exactly the turn lane starts (instead of mak

Re: [Tagging] Use cases: where would a count of all lanes be useful?

2011-09-19 Thread Jo
2011/9/19 Nathan Edgars II > On 9/19/2011 3:28 PM, Jo wrote: > >> That's how the JOSM turnlanes plugin helps to tag it. It neatly >> describes the length of the turn lanes and where they lead the traffic >> to in a bunch of relations. The only thing missing from it is a way to >> indicate where e

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=wholesale (was cash_and_carry)

2011-09-19 Thread sabas88
After some suggestions, I came with a new formalization suggested by two users. It's used in taginfo, and it needs a more specific key also already in use. Perhaps it's ready also to start voting, comment it. Regards, Stefano / sarchittuorg ___ Tagging m

Re: [Tagging] Use cases: where would a count of all lanes be useful?

2011-09-19 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 September 2011 00:39, Gerhard Hermanns wrote: > > Traffic simulation (e.g. by cellular automata) is a use case for this. At > crossroads it can make a huge difference for traffic engineering to know if > a (turn) lane can contain 3 or 30 vehicles. > To determine the "capacity" of a turn lane

Re: [Tagging] Use cases: where would a count of all lanes be useful?

2011-09-19 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: > On 20 September 2011 00:39, Gerhard Hermanns wrote: >> >> Traffic simulation (e.g. by cellular automata) is a use case for this. At >> crossroads it can make a huge difference for traffic engineering to know if >> a (turn) lane can contain 3