Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread Johan Jönsson
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer writes: > 2011/1/27 Stephen Hope gmail.com>: > > It's a little bit more general than that - a sloping hillside covered > > with loose rock is also scree.  But loose rock on flat ground never > > is.  I used to climb up scree slopes a lot when I was a kid. > > OK, so IMHO this

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread Gleb Smirnoff
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 08:02:55AM +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: S> On 28 January 2011 07:43, wrote: S> > Scree, however, usually refers to a sloping pile of loose rock at the base of a cliff, rather than being a general term for loose rocks. S> S> It's a little bit more general than that - a slop

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/29 John Smith : >>> On 30 January 2011 03:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer >>> wrote: even though this creates some problems: if you tag a polygon with natural=beach, surface=sand, doesn't this imply a the polygon is sand? The "beach" could often include also bars, restaurants, parki

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/29 Johan Jönsson : > surface is probably to prefer over natural=bare_rock. But if there is no other > good tag for the area then you can use the landcover tag of natural=bare_rock, > instead of leaving it blank. how would you map a peak that is not covered by vegetation? IMHO natural is n

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 21:05, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > broken by design... > There won't be an "invalid polygon", there would be 2 valid but > contradicting polygons. Which are sorted by smallest first usually so they render on top of the larger ones.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/30 John Smith : > On 30 January 2011 21:05, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> broken by design... >> There won't be an "invalid polygon", there would be 2 valid but >> contradicting polygons. > > Which are sorted by smallest first usually so they render on top of > the larger ones. This is a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 21:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > This is a method of trying to extract useful data from an undefined > state making assumptions, but it is IMHO not how we should design our > data model. This would also mean that even with complete data for the > whole world, you would need e

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/30 John Smith : > None of which is an issue, you can sort and display the information > however you like, all of them are issues. To recall: My statement was, that a polygon tagged with "surface=xy" should have this surface. If there are parts inside this polygon, that don't have this surf

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread Johan Jönsson
Johan Jönsson writes: > This is an old proposal, that have been discussed before. > It lead to a rewriting > and instead of natural=rock it is proposed natural=bare_rock. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/bare_rock > > It is supposed to be a tag for land cover. A summar

[Tagging] Specific natural-tags for rock and stone.

2011-01-30 Thread Johan Jönsson
In the discussion of natural=bare_rock I have found that there is need for a couple of different specific natural-tags for stone and rock land forms. for instance the boulder fields and other areas of lose rock that are not scree. It would be nice if we could find a hierachical tagging system in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread Johan Jönsson
Johan Jönsson writes: > A summary so far. > > There seem to be a need for a tag for areas of solid rock, bedrock, > with visible rock surface. bare_rock could be used. > > It is then obvious that there also is a need for areas covered by loose > rocks. > The naming of the popular natural=scr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread John Smith
2011/1/31 Johan Jönsson : > If used with the natural-key then > it should at least be possible to use the same way as natural=wetland > with subtags of wetland=.. > natural=rockland :-) > I started a new thread on that. Not all rocky surfaces are natural, just like sand being used on golf courses