Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] National Forest trail numbering

At 2010-08-15 20:05, Samat K Jain wrote: On Sunday, August 15, 2010 01:18:37 pm, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > I can't speak for other states, but in Florida's Ocala National Forest > the trails, at least the ones you can drive on, are marked with > rectangular brown highway shields, so ref seems app

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] National Forest trail numbering

On Monday, August 16, 2010 01:03:17 am, Alan Mintz wrote: > For Forest Highways (generally major paved roads): ref=FH nn (e.g. > name=Angeles Crest Highway + ref=FH 61). > For Forest Roads/Routes/Truck Trails: ref=FR yDxx (e.g. name=Upper Monroe > Road + ref=FR 2N16) > For Forest Trails: ref=FT y

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] National Forest trail numbering

At 2010-08-16 00:24, Samat K Jain wrote: On Monday, August 16, 2010 01:03:17 am, Alan Mintz wrote: > For Forest Highways (generally major paved roads): ref=FH nn (e.g. > name=Angeles Crest Highway + ref=FH 61). > For Forest Roads/Routes/Truck Trails: ref=FR yDxx (e.g. name=Upper Monroe > Road + r

Re: [Tagging] Vacant shop tagging...

2010/8/16 Craig Wallace : > On 15/08/2010 22:30, John Smith wrote: >> I'm not sure this is the best way to do things, what do others think? > If its vacant, then its not a shop, so shouldn't be tagged as such. IMHO a shop is a shop because it is officially commercial space (and not residential),

Re: [Tagging] Vacant shop tagging...

2010/8/16 Nathan Edgars II : > Perhaps building=disused (not shop because it's not a shop when it's > empty, and disused by analogy with railroads)? -1, because the shop is usually a small fraction of the building, and especially for vacant shops I wouldn't expect the whole building to be disuse

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

2010/8/16 Steve Bennett : > It doesn't really fit with my understanding of "bicycle=designated". I > understand that tag as meaning "yes, bicycles are definitely permitted > here, and there is signage or legislation to prove it". actually it was intended to say: this is a piece of way dedicated e

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

On 10/08/2010 11:54, Mike N. wrote: There are a number of local streets being converted from 4-lane to 2 lanes + center turn + sharrows. http://bikehugger.com/2006/12/whats-a-sharrow.html What is the best way to tag these - they were discussed briefly in the recent "shoulder, etc" thread,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Dave F. wrote: > OK, can I get some clarification here please? > > A sharrow does not describe what type of cycleway it is, or whereabouts it > is, but purely some painted lines on the road in the form a chevron arrows > as a sign. My understanding is that it's an

[Tagging] Non Proposed Features

Hi everybody, as I noted in my diary, the forums,... http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/!i!/diary/11477 I would like to improve the features page and other wiki pages around. Therefore I asked at the talk page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features#Cleanup_Request I checked th

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

On 16/08/2010 16:31, Matthias Meißer wrote: Hi everybody, as I noted in my diary, the forums,... http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/!i!/diary/11477 I would like to improve the features page and other wiki pages around. Therefore I asked at the talk page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Pr

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

cool, in this system. do you recommend the creation of a wiki page for each tag that is used and each tag that is thought of? if so, thats great! if not, thats unfortunate, as every tag is important to know its purpose just because the expert mappers know most of the tags off by heart, doe

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

Well, this idea is not to telling you do's and dont's, it's just to manage ideas. IMHO the current process lacks a few details that are mentioned (and can be discussed by everyone here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features#Cleanup_Request As some of you might noted with t

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

Am 16. August 2010 16:31 schrieb Matthias Meißer : > I checked the current german map feature list and noticed a lot few features > and key that are new but non proposed. I beg the authors to move them out of > the list back to the proposed features. this might not in all cases be justified. Actu

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

2010/8/16 Anthony : > As a side-effect, it also makes it explicit that bicycles are allowed. - As an European I am interested in this: aren't they allowed on any non-highway/freeway/interstate unless explicitly forbidden? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mai

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

Well I'm not talking about undoing very common features but about a few new ones that seemed to be a bad design (even if I like the idea to get a feature e.g. for OFFICE=*). For fine tuning is the /Proposed list, right? Yes soft moderation by the community but therefore the community needs som

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:03 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/8/16 Anthony : >> As a side-effect, it also makes it explicit that bicycles are allowed. > > - > As an European I am interested in this: aren't they allowed on any > non-highway/freeway/interstate unless explicitly forbidden? Yes

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

Am 16. August 2010 18:09 schrieb Matthias Meißer : > central space and some guidelines. You already see the lack of voters, just > cause it's to decentral communication atm. RFC and voting start are announced on talk-list and often on some local lists as well. I fear that the lack of voting contr

[Tagging] Proposal: Energy generator power types

Hello, I am tagging low carbon / renewable energy generators in London, and have made a proposal to improve the granularity of the schema: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_type Basically I have deprecated "power_type=photovoltaic" and "power_type=solar-thermal", which c

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010/8/17 Matthias Meißer : > opinion. Thats why nobody knows that there are new features, nobody talked > about it, nobody made a review :( But they do get talked about, take for example this thread where someone added a shop that no one seems to agree with: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/piperm

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

But OSM is more than just the major lists (see people like me that sign on/off lists to avoid to much mails). As I said it would be a good idea to feature our proposal incubator a little bit more ;) I'm pretty sure if the users have no Push but a Pop media (e.g. the weekly newsletters) they wou

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010/8/17 Matthias Meißer : > But OSM is more than just the major lists (see people like me that sign > on/off lists to avoid to much mails). As I said it would be a good idea to > feature our proposal incubator a little bit more ;) I'm pretty sure if the > users have no Push but a Pop media (e.g.

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Energy generator power types

2010/8/16 Tom Chance : > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_type > > Basically I have deprecated "power_type=photovoltaic" and > "power_type=solar-thermal", which combine two bits of information (source of > energy, and type of energy generated). This also allows for adequat

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

Proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dancing_school /al ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 17 August 2010 05:15, Andreas Labres wrote: > Proposal: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dancing_school I'm wondering if a sub-tag would be more useful, eg amenity=school school=dance That way you could group other similar schools, like martial arts, using school=* wou

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 16 August 2010 20:22, John Smith wrote: > On 17 August 2010 05:15, Andreas Labres wrote: > > Proposal: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dancing_school > > I'm wondering if a sub-tag would be more useful, eg > > amenity=school > school=dance > > That way you could grou

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

Well ok might be possbile but for that reason there are other channels e.g. forums, MLs that have their own pros and cons. So nobody really has a problem with refactoring /Proposed, right? If so it would be nice if you review the upcoming changes. But this will take time cause I'm involved in

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Energy generator power types

2010/8/16 Tom Chance : > Basically I have deprecated "power_type=photovoltaic" and > "power_type=solar-thermal", which combine two bits of information (source of > energy, and type of energy generated). This also allows for adequate tagging > of generators that produce more than one type of energy

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010/8/17 Matthias Meißer : > Well ok might be possbile but for that reason there are other channels e.g. > forums, MLs that have their own pros and cons. There is software that can show mailing list posts in the same way as forums, the forums are only used by a minority of people, most people see

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

On Monday 16 August 2010 22:07:07 Matthias Meißer wrote: > So nobody really has a problem with refactoring /Proposed, right? Yes, many people will have a problem with that. The people actually voting on the wiki are a very small group. Pushing tags already documented and in use back into the pro

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

Sry @all, was my mistake, what I tried to say is that I will improve the /proposed page (and only this one). So restyling, splitting text but nothing on the features itself, is this ok? Yes you can read MLs in a forum or RSS like way, but mostly you have to be member of the mailinglist to part

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:03 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/8/16 Anthony : >> As a side-effect, it also makes it explicit that bicycles are allowed. > > - > As an European I am interested in this: aren't they allowed on any > non-highway/freeway/interstate unless explicitly forbidden? Sur

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:27:30 -0400, Anthony wrote: > But it's not effectively the same thing. If it were, sharrows wouldn't > have ever been invented. Not true, the old-style "BIKE ROUTE" signs no longer appear in the current MUTCD (thus are being phased out nationwide). Sharrows and bicycle

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:01:09 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: >>He wasn’t saying that bicycle=designated is always a sharrow, but that a >>sharrow is effectively the same thing as a sign saying “bike route”. >>They’re both ways of marking something as a designated route for >>bicycles. > > I don't agr

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

> Hi everybody, > > as I noted in my diary, the forums,... > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/!i!/diary/11477 > I would like to improve the features page and other wiki pages around. > > Therefore I asked at the talk page > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features#Cleanup_Request

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 8/16/10 3:33 PM, Emilie Laffray wrote: On 16 August 2010 20:22, John Smith > wrote: On 17 August 2010 05:15, Andreas Labres mailto:l...@lab.at>> wrote: > Proposal: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dancing_school I'm

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 17 August 2010 07:41, Richard Welty wrote: > amenity=school > school=middle I know I brought up middle schools, but are they deemed a type of secondary school? The reason I ask, it might be more useful to tag which grades, for example in Australia there are central schools which cover k-10 or

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010/8/16 Emilie Laffray : > On 16 August 2010 20:22, John Smith wrote: >> On 17 August 2010 05:15, Andreas Labres wrote: >> >  Proposal: >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dancing_school nice >> I'm wondering if a sub-tag would be more useful, eg >> >> amenity=school >

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010/8/16 John Smith : >> school=truck_driving > > school=driving > driving:type=[car|truck|bike] what about school=dolphins for a school of dolphins? Or hospital=tree nursery? IMHO we shouldn't create our categories/keys only based on language which might sometimes be ambiguous or misleading. c

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 17 August 2010 07:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > -1, IMHO no. A dancing school, boxing school, ski school, etc. are > IMHO not in the same category than general-education schools. They > might be classified in one category, but that is IMHO not school. That's what the sub tag is for, a schoo

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 17 August 2010 08:03, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > what about school=dolphins for a school of dolphins? Or hospital=tree > nursery? IMHO we shouldn't create our categories/keys only based on > language which might sometimes be ambiguous or misleading. So far you seem to be giving silly example

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:09:43 +0100, Dave F. wrote: > On 10/08/2010 11:54, Mike N. wrote: >> There are a number of local streets being converted from 4-lane to 2 >> lanes + center turn + sharrows. >> >> http://bikehugger.com/2006/12/whats-a-sharrow.html >> >> What is the best way to tag these - th

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 8/16/10 6:06 PM, John Smith wrote: On 17 August 2010 08:03, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: what about school=dolphins for a school of dolphins? Or hospital=tree nursery? IMHO we shouldn't create our categories/keys only based on language which might sometimes be ambiguous or misleading. So far

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

Am 17.08.2010 00:04, schrieb John Smith: On 17 August 2010 07:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: -1, IMHO no. A dancing school, boxing school, ski school, etc. are IMHO not in the same category than general-education schools. They might be classified in one category, but that is IMHO not school.

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 17 August 2010 08:24, Ulf Lamping wrote: > What is the benefit to put this all under amenity=school - and then have a > tag no renderer actually can use, because it is far too generic? The benefit is an existing tag that isn't very specific, so we could imply the existing tag to be amenity=sch

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

Am 17.08.2010 00:31, schrieb John Smith: On 17 August 2010 08:24, Ulf Lamping wrote: What is the benefit to put this all under amenity=school - and then have a tag no renderer actually can use, because it is far too generic? The benefit is an existing tag that isn't very specific, so we could

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010/8/17 John Smith : > On 17 August 2010 08:24, Ulf Lamping wrote: >> What is the benefit to put this all under amenity=school - and then have a >> tag no renderer actually can use, because it is far too generic? > > The benefit is an existing tag that isn't very specific, so we could > imply th

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Energy generator power types

2010/8/16 André Riedel : > But it would be good to propose a tag for heat plants or smaller block > heating stations. it is there. In the wiki. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/t

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 17 August 2010 08:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > it doesn't change the good point Ulf made: a potential data consumer > would have to know all school types for a pleasant results. Currently That's actually a reason to sub-tag, so they can show a generic icon instead of needing to constantly

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010/8/17 John Smith : > On 17 August 2010 08:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> it doesn't change the good point Ulf made: a potential data consumer >> would have to know all school types for a pleasant results. Currently > > That's actually a reason to sub-tag, so they can show a generic icon > i

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 17 August 2010 09:20, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The point was (maybe my message was too long to get this clear) that > the same generic icon for schools which do general education in the > morning and maybe afternoon to kids AND the same time for all other > places that educate all kind of p

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 8/16/10 7:23 PM, John Smith wrote: On 17 August 2010 09:20, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: The point was (maybe my message was too long to get this clear) that the same generic icon for schools which do general education in the morning and maybe afternoon to kids AND the same time for all other

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 17 August 2010 09:29, Richard Welty wrote: > amenity=special_school > > or something on that order, and then subtag with school= > > i don't object to splitting that way, but there's no good reason > to further pollute amenity when we can subtag with school= Do we even need an amenity tag? Af

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 17.08.10 01:29, Richard Welty wrote: > amenity=special_school > or something on that order, and then subtag with school= I can't see any benefit subsuming those "...schools that are no schools" under one tag. They all need special icons, there is no generic icon for these. One more thing, a d

[Tagging] tagging farmers markets?

i don't see an obvious tag in the system. i'm not talking about shop=farm, where the shop is physically located at the farm, but about places where one or more producers come together to sell. some are intermittant (and would need schedule tags), but others are somewhat permanent. richard ___

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 8/16/10 8:39 PM, Andreas Labres wrote: On 17.08.10 01:29, Richard Welty wrote: amenity=special_school or something on that order, and then subtag with school= I can't see any benefit subsuming those "...schools that are no schools" under one tag. They all need special icons, there is no g

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

On 17.08.10 02:46, Richard Welty wrote: > there are dancing schools and there are dancing schools Well, maybe we need a subtag... ;) /al ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

Hi, How would one tag a turn restriction ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turn_restrictions) which is active say 6-9AM and 3-6PM every day? hour_on/hour_off seem to only be sufficient for one time interval. Michael. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:30:26 -0700 Michael Barabanov wrote: > Hi, > > How would one tag a turn restriction ( > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turn_restrictions) which is active say > 6-9AM and 3-6PM every day? hour_on/hour_off seem to only be sufficient for > one time interval. > > Michael

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Michael Barabanov wrote: > Hi, > > How would one tag a turn restriction > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turn_restrictions) which is active say > 6-9AM and 3-6PM every day? hour_on/hour_off seem to only be sufficient for > one time interval. FIXME=this restr

Re: [Tagging] tagging farmers markets?

On 17/08/2010 01:43, Richard Welty wrote: i don't see an obvious tag in the system. i'm not talking about shop=farm, where the shop is physically located at the farm, but about places where one or more producers come together to sell. some are intermittant (and would need schedule tags), but

Re: [Tagging] tagging farmers markets?

On 8/16/10 9:56 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: On 17/08/2010 01:43, Richard Welty wrote: i don't see an obvious tag in the system. i'm not talking about shop=farm, where the shop is physically located at the farm, but about places where one or more producers come together to sell. some are interm

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

Seems like double work to me. Ross's suggestion may just work. If there're no objections, I'll update the wiki. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Michael Barabanov > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > How would one tag a turn restriction > > (http:

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

Thanks. BTW, tagwatch does have those: http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Planet/En/keystats_hour_on.html On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:30:26 -0700 > Michael Barabanov wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > How would one tag a turn restriction ( > > http://wiki.opens

Re: [Tagging] tagging farmers markets?

On 17/08/2010 03:09, Richard Welty wrote: > ok, but how about a physical building named "Ryan's Farmers Market" where i presume (i haven't been inside, i just saw it for the first time today) the produce is from local farmers, but it's a conventional brick-and-mortar store with "normal" hours.

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

On 17 August 2010 12:18, Michael Barabanov wrote: > Seems like double work to me. Ross's suggestion may just work. If there're > no objections, I'll update the wiki. That would probably be fine for every day of the week, and yes I noticed day_on/off, but that seems to overly complicate things a

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

I agree. But I'm not in the mood to start a voting process on changing hour_on to access:time. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 17 August 2010 12:18, Michael Barabanov > wrote: > > Seems like double work to me. Ross's suggestion may just work. If > there're > > no object

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

On 17 August 2010 13:14, Michael Barabanov wrote: > I agree. But I'm not in the mood to start a voting process on changing > hour_on to access:time. We keep getting told this is a do-ocracy, so if you find something more useful, just do it? :) ___ Tagg

[Tagging] Dealing with types of places (possibly US-specific)?

First, what's the US standard for incorporated places? Should the actual form of government (town/city/etc) be used? More importantly, how are unincorporated places handled? With respect to boundaries, census-designated places are not really suited for our use. Sometimes it's easy to define a bo

Re: [Tagging] Dealing with types of places (possibly US-specific)?

You should check out the 50,000 other threads on place=*, it varies too much from country to country and even regions within countries based on what people expect to see on maps, there doesn't seem to be any objective methods to do this that would be consistent within countries, let alone the world

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

I will, once I see a restriction that doesn't fit:) On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 17 August 2010 13:14, Michael Barabanov > wrote: > > I agree. But I'm not in the mood to start a voting process on changing > > hour_on to access:time. > > We keep getting told this is a d

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

>1. So what is your idea? What do you think of how it can be improved? >2. Yes of course, otherwise I wouldn't ask here ;) But once again, this is not a good/bad feature discussion. It's just the question of new and may be problematic features should be taken back to /proposed for further disc