Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants -> Timber Merchant

2010-06-25 Thread ael
> would be useful. When I have a moment, I will try and come up with > something better than yard. A thesaurus didn't throw up anything compelling. Instead I became convinced that the best subtag is actually "merchant". shop=merchant merchant = timber|building-supplies|agricultural|garden|...

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants -> Timber Merchant

2010-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 19:47, ael wrote: > A thesaurus didn't throw up anything compelling. Instead I became > convinced that the best subtag is actually "merchant". How is that better than shop=supplies, all shop keepers are merchants whom sells supplies (or services)... __

[Tagging] tagging, ontologies and repositories in openstreetmap.org

2010-06-25 Thread Alexander Garcia Castro
Tagging opens a door for participation; it has also been acknowledge the symbiosis between tagging and ontologies, how is tagging in openstreetmap.org making use of semantics? how is tagging in openstreetmap.org living with ontologies? what are the semantic aspects in openstreetmap.org? how is open

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants -> Timber Merchant

2010-06-25 Thread Liz
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, ael wrote: > > would be useful. When I have a moment, I will try and come up with > > something better than yard. > > A thesaurus didn't throw up anything compelling. Instead I became > convinced that the best subtag is actually "merchant". > > shop=merchant > merchant = ti

[Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread y...@o2.pl
Now there is a good trend to use colon in key names. Maybe we should move these tags below? int_name -> name:international nat_name -> name:national reg_name -> name:regional loc_name -> name:local old_name -> name:old alt_name -> name:alt or name:alternative official_name -> name:official But th

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread Craig Wallace
On 25/06/2010 13:04, y...@o2.pl wrote: Now there is a good trend to use colon in key names. Maybe we should move these tags below? int_name -> name:international nat_name -> name:national reg_name -> name:regional loc_name -> name:local old_name -> name:old alt_name -> name:alt or name:alt

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/25 Craig Wallace : >> int_name ->  name:international >> nat_name ->  name:national >> reg_name ->  name:regional >> loc_name ->  name:local >> old_name ->  name:old >> alt_name ->  name:alt or name:alternative >> official_name ->  name:official >> >> But then we can have structures like th

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread Alex Mauer
On 06/25/2010 10:24 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: > But how do you know whether the part after the colon is a language code > or a type of name? > eg "alt" is the ISO 639-2 code for Southern Altai. Does openstreetmap use the ISO 639-2 codes? It looks to me like it uses ISO 639-1. –Alex Mauer “hawke”

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 June 2010 01:36, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 06/25/2010 10:24 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: >> But how do you know whether the part after the colon is a language code >> or a type of name? >> eg "alt" is the ISO 639-2 code for Southern Altai. > > Does openstreetmap use the ISO 639-2 codes? It looks t

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread Craig Wallace
On 25/06/2010 16:36, Alex Mauer wrote: On 06/25/2010 10:24 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: But how do you know whether the part after the colon is a language code or a type of name? eg "alt" is the ISO 639-2 code for Southern Altai. Does openstreetmap use the ISO 639-2 codes? It looks to me like it

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread Alex Mauer
On 06/25/2010 10:41 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: > From the multilingual names page: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names > > "People seem to generally agree on using name:code=* where code is a > language's ISO 639-1 code, or ISO 639-2 if an ISO 639-1 code doesn't > exist." Ah, t

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 25/06/2010 14:04, y...@o2.pl a écrit : Now there is a good trend to use colon in key names. Maybe we should move these tags below? int_name -> name:international nat_name -> name:national reg_name -> name:regional loc_name -> name:local old_name -> name:old alt_name -> name:alt or name:

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread Cartinus
As was pointed out recently in the thread about *_link tagging: If you want to change something about existing widely used tags you have to provide a compelling reason. So what problem are you trying to solve with this tag renaming? You mention that then we can have tags like: name:official:de.

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/25 Cartinus : > I'm afraid most people don't think "It looks better." is a compelling reason. actually I do think that "looks better" is a good reason. It follows some logics that makes mapping easier for everybody. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging m

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread y...@o2.pl
2010/6/25 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > 2010/6/25 Cartinus : >> I'm afraid most people don't think "It looks better." is a compelling reason. > > actually I do think that "looks better" is a good reason. It follows > some logics that makes mapping easier for everybody. Definitely, when I started mapping

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:23 PM, y...@o2.pl wrote: > > Definitely, when I started mapping I had to check at wiki what is > "loc_name". With "name:local" I don't have problems like that. > > > Because the first time you discover that a simple thing as a name can be taggued with seven different tag

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread y...@o2.pl
2010/6/25 Pieren : > Because the first time you discover that a simple thing as a name can be > taggued with seven different tags, you don't have to read the wiki when you > replace '_' by ':'   ... I just wanted to say that names like 'loc' or 'nat' are bit enigmatic. ___

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants -> Timber Merchant

2010-06-25 Thread ael
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 09:42:38PM +1000, Liz wrote: > > shop=merchant > > merchant = timber|building-supplies|agricultural|garden|... > i don't see how shop and merchant are different > shop has been mostly used to describe retail trade > we are looking at tags suitable for commercial or industr

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
y...@o2.pl: > Now there is a good trend to use colon in key names. Maybe we should > move these tags below? > > int_name -> name:international > [...] > alt_name -> name:alt or name:alternative > official_name -> name:official > > But then we can have structures like that: name:official:de/ru/etc

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants -> Timber Merchant

2010-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 June 2010 08:31, ael wrote: > Can someone come up with a better idea. Please :-) You haven't really explained what was so wrong with shop=supplies, considering it's intended to be only used with a subtag giving it context it seems perfectly fine to me. _

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Tobias Knerr wrote: > y...@o2.pl: > > Now there is a good trend to use colon in key names. Maybe we should > > move these tags below? > > > > int_name -> name:international > > [...] > > alt_name -> name:alt or name:alternative > > official_name -> name:official >

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 June 2010 14:18, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > name:alt:de is the German translation of the alternate name > name:de:alt is an alternate German name While I agree with using colons for this, rather than underscores, I don't think it would be good to use 2 or 3 letter abbreviations, as others