[Tagging] Additional value for tracktype

2010-04-10 Thread NopMap
Hi! In the German forum there is an ongoing discussion on this matter. Frequently there are tracks that are paved (usually concrete or paving stones) only in the lanes/grooves (what is the proper word for the outsides of the track where the wheels run), but have an unpaved center. Obivously the

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Dave F.
Cartinus wrote: > On Thursday 08 April 2010 22:00:54 John Smith wrote: > >> From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beach >> >> >>> "Beach areas should always meet with a natural=coastline way. This is not the case. Many lakes have beaches, either natural or even man made. >>> Do not us

Re: [Tagging] Additional value for tracktype

2010-04-10 Thread Ben Laenen
NopMap wrote: > Hi! > > In the German forum there is an ongoing discussion on this matter. > Frequently there are tracks that are paved (usually concrete or paving > stones) only in the lanes/grooves (what is the proper word for the outsides > of the track where the wheels run), but have an unpave

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Cartinus
On Saturday 10 April 2010 08:44:43 Erik Johansson wrote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Cartinus wrote: > > In OSM the coastline is not defined that way. > > Please! There is no definition, if you want to define your > beach/waterline as mapped in a specific tide then tag the waterline as > suc

Re: [Tagging] Additional value for tracktype

2010-04-10 Thread Cartinus
I think most people outside of Germany would simply tag this as tracktype=grade1. The only reason you have a problem is that in Germany this tag is highjacked for paved roads with the sign "Land- und Forstwirtshaft gestattet" -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/9 Richard Welty : > many towns in upstate NY have town beaches on local lakes. In Berlin we have beaches (Oststrand [1+2] ) at the river and even in the zoo ;-) [3] cheers, Martin btw.: what about tagging (and rendering) surface=sand ? IMHO the beaches-hack is not to be kept eternally...

Re: [Tagging] Additional value for tracktype

2010-04-10 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/10 Ben Laenen : > Now, about paved on the outside and unpaved in the middle: given the fact that > paved roads shouldn't be tagged as tracks anyway, ... why not? Of course they are: grade1-tracks have to be paved (or similar surface like very compounded hardcore). cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 00:18, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > btw.: what about tagging (and rendering) surface=sand ? IMHO the > beaches-hack is not to be kept eternally... It doesn't look like anyone ever filed a bug about this, so I just added one: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2873 ___

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer an John Details anzeigen 17:04 (Vor 0 Minuten) 2010/4/10 John Smith : - Zitierten Text anzeigen - > On 11 April 2010 00:18, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> btw.: what about tagging (and rendering) surface=sand ? IMHO the >> beaches-hack is not to be kept eterna

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 01:04, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I see you filed this ticket for natural=sand. This doesn't literally > apply to berlin beaches, as they are all man_made. That's why I > suggested surface=sand (doesn't matter if it's natural or not). I don't think it matters if it's a man made

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 3:36 AM, John Smith wrote: > > I don't think it matters if it's a man made beach or not, natural=tree > is used for planter boxes in the middle of the street, I'm pretty sure > that isn't 100% natural :) Hmm. Yes, we also have natural=water whether it's "natural" or not...

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Lennard
On 11-4-2010 0:50, Roy Wallace wrote: > city, to me, that's pretty clearly landuse=beach. But in Australia > sand, is frequently dumped on beaches bordering the sea, to "top up" > the sand for the tourists. At what point would that change from > natural=beach to landuse=beach? Not just for touris

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 08:50, Roy Wallace wrote: > The only alternative I see is landuse=beach, which I think would be > ok, if there were a clear distinction between this and natural=beach. > For a "beach" created by dumping a bunch of sand in the middle of a > city, to me, that's pretty clearly landus

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Liz
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: > The only alternative I see is landuse=beach, which I think would be > ok, if there were a clear distinction between this and natural=beach. > For a "beach" created by dumping a bunch of sand in the middle of a > city, to me, that's pretty clearly landuse=be

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 09:03, Liz wrote: > +1 for landuse=beach, providing that includes beach below high tide mark, and > hoping that no person thinks that should be seause=beach I don't see an overly compelling reason to change the existing tag, however there are things like golf course bunkers that

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Dave F.
Lennard wrote: > On 11-4-2010 0:50, Roy Wallace wrote: > > >> city, to me, that's pretty clearly landuse=beach. But in Australia >> sand, is frequently dumped on beaches bordering the sea, to "top up" >> the sand for the tourists. At what point would that change from >> natural=beach to landuse=

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 11:23, Dave F. wrote: > Not wanting to hijack this thread onto another subject, but the general > problem is using adjectives (natural) instead of nouns (landuse) for Most sand is the product of a natural process, rather than being created even if it's moved, just like all plants