Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-17 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 17, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Why would the single track nature be a problem for motorcycles? Probably regional bias. While I know motorcycles can handle the terrain, when I think of "trail" or "hiking" - usually every single trail I hiked on had mot

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-02-15 22:13 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > I always think of ranchers on quads. > > Anyways, Trail is the single track version of track. Because of its single > track nature, I would say it defaults to motorcycle=no > maybe you should think less about quads ;-) Why would the single track nature

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-02-15 21:34 GMT+01:00 Richard : > > or they're using motocross motorcycles... > > A path doesn't prohibit motor vehicle use by default, a footway does. > Many shepherds in remote areas are using motorcycles. > > highway=path does prohibit motor vehicels by default according to wiki. yes, y

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-15 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 4:20 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > or they're using motocross motorcycles... > A path doesn't prohibit motor vehicle use by default, a footway does. Many > shepherds in remote areas are using motorcycles I always think of ranchers on quads. Anyways, Trail is th

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-15 Thread Richard
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 08:20:16PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Am 14.02.2016 um 12:22 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > > > The forestry workers, fire wardens, etc would be 'hiking' ... unless it is > > wide enough for a vehicle .. in which case hig

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 14.02.2016 um 12:22 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > The forestry workers, fire wardens, etc would be 'hiking' ... unless it is > wide enough for a vehicle .. in which case highway=track would be a better > tag. or they're using motocross motorcycles... A p

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-14 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 14, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > footway=hiking Footway=trail, as it can be used for many activites, including hiking. I would love to have a separate main key value for a trail, just like track. We differentiate between a gravel driveway and a

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-14 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: > > It's a path All non-motorways are roads for cars. Just add the width and surface and let's depreciate all the other values. primary/secondary/tertiary/unclassified/residential/service/track and have only highway=road. All th

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-14 Thread John Willis
I Hit send by accident. Javbw > On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:01 PM, John Willis wrote: > > > None of those tags convey the difference implied primary/tertiary/...track. > > The track grade scale and the sac scale both ...convey the degree or grade of the way, However track has its own key val

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-14 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > surface and width tags, as well as sac_scale None of those tags convey the difference implied primary/tertiary/...track. The track grade scale and the sac scale both ___ Tag

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-14 Thread Warin
Sorry ... longer version highway=footway footway=hiking On 14/02/2016 7:47 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: I disagree. If we use something specific like footway=hiking then that implies the path is only for hiking. It's a path. Its purpose is for whatever you want to do. highway=path perfec

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-14 Thread Andrew Errington
I disagree. If we use something specific like footway=hiking then that implies the path is only for hiking. It's a path. Its purpose is for whatever you want to do. highway=path perfectly encapsulates the idea "there is a path here". 'hiking' could be used as a tag on a route, which is a set o

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-14 Thread Warin
On 14/02/2016 6:38 PM, John Willis wrote: Javbw On Feb 14, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: Changing the tags because you don't like the rendering is not the right approach. It would be better to lobby for a change of rendering, or use a different renderer. Since everything from

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-13 Thread Andrew Errington
It's a path. The fact that the line is drawn the same for each type of path you describe doesn't matter. The line indicates "a path of some kind is here". It should be obvious from the terrain what kind of path should be expected. You could add sac_scale, to indicate that this is *not* a simple

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 14.02.2016 um 08:38 schrieb John Willis : > > Since everything from a sidewalk, a concrete path, a well worn dirt path > through the grass around a park, a rough trail through the desert, and a > trail up the side of Mt Fuji all have the same vague, meaningless > highw

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-13 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 14, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: > > Changing the tags because you don't like the rendering is not the right > approach. It would be better to lobby for a change of rendering, or use a > different renderer. Since everything from a sidewalk, a concrete path, a we

Re: [Tagging] path=hiking in use

2016-02-13 Thread Andrew Errington
Changing the tags because you don't like the rendering is not the right approach. It would be better to lobby for a change of rendering, or use a different renderer. I use highway=path for my hiking trails, then I make relations to record the popular, named hiking trails. Some parts of the trail