Re: [Tagging] iD presets

22. Jun 2018 19:44 by kevin.b.kenny+...@gmail.com : > It's better to choose tags that will make the job of > consuming the data easier, even if that makes for a small amount of > additional work for the mapper. (Within reason, of course!) > I would agree w

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Friday 22 June 2018, Kevin Kenny wrote: > [...] > > TL;DR: When I speak of being advised chiefly by data consumers, > I don't mean conforming strictly to the limitations of existing > programs ("tagging for the renderer" in the broad sense), but > rather being informed by the principles: > (a) i

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

I realize that my last message was far too long. TL;DR: When I speak of being advised chiefly by data consumers, I don't mean conforming strictly to the limitations of existing programs ("tagging for the renderer" in the broad sense), but rather being informed by the principles: (a) it's impossibl

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 2:25 PM Christoph Hormann wrote: > Contrary to what some might want to believe OSM is not a software > development project. Correct. iD, however, is a software development project. It is one OSM editor among many (or at least a few) and is not even the only one available o

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Friday 22 June 2018, Kevin Kenny wrote: > [...] > > Bryan's choices may seem arbitrary, but this follows a general tenet > of open-source development: "he who does the work makes the rules." Contrary to what some might want to believe OSM is not a software development project. And what you ar

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:52:32 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > if iD provided a mechanism to choose from different sets of presets > (or maybe compose different subsets of presets to a set), the default > set could be the one that most of all active mappers in the previous > month have used. Th

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 7:45 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I really welcome this discussion about these procedures, and the > participation of Bryan. It is clear that any more rules or policies mean more > work and less time for the fun things, and a slow down in development in > general, b

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

2018-06-22 13:44 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > Good news - iD already allows anyone to replace the presets. You could >> make an iD that contains just presets for HOT mapping, for example. People >> are doing this already, but it requires making a copy of iD and hosting it >> somewhere. Thi

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

I really welcome this discussion about these procedures, and the participation of Bryan. It is clear that any more rules or policies mean more work and less time for the fun things, and a slow down in development in general, but I feel it is important to have many eyes on this process, because it i

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Thursday 21 June 2018, Bryan Housel wrote: > > Just going to cut my reply off here. There was some vague stuff in > your message about “poisoning OSM” that didn’t seem to be a serious > question. That wasn't a question, that was my attempt to explain a fundamental difference in views between

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

> On Jun 21, 2018, at 6:16 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > Then why do you object to Frederik's idea of separating the tagging > presets from editor development and give up control over the decisions? I offered to do exactly this a few years ago: https://github.com/osmlab/editor-presets/pull/

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Thursday 21 June 2018, Bryan Housel wrote: > > As I see it, the users of iD and the community are deciding which > presets get included. I might recommend a change in what the display > name should be, or what icon it should have, but I almost never tell > someone that they can’t add a preset o

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

Hey Christoph - You make some really interesting points in your email. Rather than replying point by point, I’m going to pick out a few phrases that stood out. It sounds like I need to do a better job of explaining... 👨‍🏫 “How a tag becomes a preset in iD” First - and this is something that

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

20. Jun 2018 11:51 by o...@imagico.de : > On Wednesday 20 June 2018, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> that editor developers controlling presets is wrong.  > > Note i have not said that. Sorry for misunderstanding and misattribution!   > What i spoke up against is dev

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Wednesday 20 June 2018, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > * establish verifiable principles for decisions about tagging > > presets in iD that limit use of presets to push subjectively > > preferred tagging ideas against existing widely accepted practice. > > * modify iD to allow for more diversi

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

Btw, I've done some work on automatically generating presets from taginfo in Vespucci 11 (going further than what iD does), and if you so will the ultimate democratic presets, that I'll likely be touching on too. Simon Am 20.06.2018 um 11:41 schrieb Simon Poole: > > Just a couple of comments: >

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

Just a couple of comments: - both the JOSM and Vespucci default presets are in general under a lot less pressure and in the end less scrutiny than iDs because they are end user replaceable and extendable. Naturally the choices made by the devs still affect tagging, including, oops, errors. - I su

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

19. Jun 2018 21:51 by o...@imagico.de : > If i read you correctly you are unwilling to > > * establish verifiable principles for decisions about tagging presets in > iD that limit use of presets to push subjectively preferred tagging > ideas against existing widely accep

Re: [Tagging] iD presets - was: emergency=lifeguard

19. Jun 2018 20:28 by bhou...@gmail.com : > I don’t think the OSM community is particularly good at inventing tags Well, anybody involved in inventing tags is by definition a part of OSM community. > I still think that tagging should ultimately be driven by the

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:52 PM Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Tuesday 19 June 2018, Bryan Housel wrote: > <> > > > It’s fine for people to keep tagging these but I probably wouldn't > > add a preset for this in iD. > > While i think i kind of understand your motivation here, that you think > the

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Tuesday 19 June 2018, Bryan Housel wrote: > > I used to think that splitting off the iD presets into their own > project was a good idea, but I’ve changed my mind in the past few > years. I don’t think the OSM community is particularly good at > inventing tags, I can’t think of anyone that I wo