Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-18 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/3/16 Philip Barnes > Absolutely wrong, obeying traffic rules is 100% the drivers > responsibility. There already enough numpties on the road, without > giving them another reason to blame the satnav. > > A satnav should only use the presence of give ways and stops to > calculate routing time

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 21:31 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Philip Barnes wrote: > A junction with stop sign will take longer to accomplish as > the presence > of the stop sign indicates reduced visibility. > > > Except in places that tend to over

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Philip Barnes wrote: > > A junction with stop sign will take longer to accomplish as the presence > of the stop sign indicates reduced visibility. > Except in places that tend to overuse stop signs. The west coast states, Idaho, and to a lesser extent other states tha

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2013-03-15 at 11:53 +0100, Simone Saviolo wrote: > 2013/3/15 Pieren > > It is for navigation. Imagine a corner right before an > intersection: the > > navigator would warn you that you'll have to give way or to > stop, and you'll > > prepare the cor

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Pieren wrote: > > It is for navigation. Imagine a corner right before an intersection: the > > navigator would warn you that you'll have to give way or to stop, and > you'll > > prepare the corner accordingly. > > I don't know any commercial car navigation system

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-15 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/3/15 Pieren > > It is for navigation. Imagine a corner right before an intersection: the > > navigator would warn you that you'll have to give way or to stop, and > you'll > > prepare the corner accordingly. > > I don't know any commercial car navigation system that warns you about > give-wa

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-15 Thread Pieren
> It is for navigation. Imagine a corner right before an intersection: the > navigator would warn you that you'll have to give way or to stop, and you'll > prepare the corner accordingly. I don't know any commercial car navigation system that warns you about give-ways or stops. Perhaps because it

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Am 15/mar/2013 um 02:00 schrieb James Mast : > > > Why wouldn't something like a node tagged "highway:forward=give_way" > work? > > > Because a node doesn't have direction. Why does it have to be a node of > the way? You could set t

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 15/mar/2013 um 02:00 schrieb James Mast : > Why wouldn't something like a node tagged "highway:forward=give_way" work? Because a node doesn't have direction. Why does it have to be a node of the way? You could set the node slightly right (or left where people drive on the strange side)

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread James Mast
Why wouldn't something like a node tagged "highway:forward=give_way" work? -James ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/3/14 Pieren > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst > > That's fiendishly clever given that OpenStreetMap didn't exist nine years > > ago... > > ^^ > But, a silly question : where does it help to put so much efforts in > tagging a give-way traffic sign ? It's not for routing. I

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Pieren wrote: > But, a silly question : where does it help to put so much efforts in > tagging a give-way traffic sign ? It's not for routing. If it is for > rendering, a simple node is enough. So why a relation ? for blind > drivers ? > Not quite. Blind pedestr

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst That's fiendishly clever given that OpenStreetMap didn't exist nine years > ago... ^^ But, a silly question : where does it help to put so much efforts in tagging a give-way traffic sign ? It's not for routing. If it is for rendering, a simple no

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Simone Saviolo wrote: > I noticed that the proposal for a give_way type relationship [1] > has been in draft for nine solid years. That's fiendishly clever given that OpenStreetMap didn't exist nine years ago... cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread fly
On 14.03.2013 17:01, Jo wrote: > 2013/3/14 Simone Saviolo > > > 2013/3/14 Steve Doerr > > I think the two ways may coexist: the node method being easier on > the mappers, and the relation being easier on the consum

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2013-03-14 15:43, Simone Saviolo wrote : Hi everyone! I noticed that the proposal for a give_way type relationship [1] has been in draft for nine solid years. It seems a great solution to the current limitations of highway=give_way and highway=stop, also because it reuses a tagging scheme

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Jo
2013/3/14 Simone Saviolo > 2013/3/14 Steve Doerr > >> I suppose the main downside is that it requires a relation. I've not >> mapped give-way relationships myself, but it would be good to map them, and >> the node method seems simpler and would involve less database bloat than >> adding a relat

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/3/14 Steve Doerr > I suppose the main downside is that it requires a relation. I've not > mapped give-way relationships myself, but it would be good to map them, and > the node method seems simpler and would involve less database bloat than > adding a relation at, basically, every junction.

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/3/14 Chris Hill > On 14/03/13 14:43, Simone Saviolo wrote: > >> I noticed that the proposal for a give_way type relationship [1] has been >> in draft for nine solid years. It seems a great solution to the current >> limitations of highway=give_way and highway=stop, also because it reuses a >

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Steve Doerr
I suppose the main downside is that it requires a relation. I've not mapped give-way relationships myself, but it would be good to map them, and the node method seems simpler and would involve less database bloat than adding a relation at, basically, every junction. I would think the node metho

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Chris Hill
On 14/03/13 14:43, Simone Saviolo wrote: I noticed that the proposal for a give_way type relationship [1] has been in draft for nine solid years. It seems a great solution to the current limitations of highway=give_way and highway=stop, also because it reuses a tagging scheme that is widely acc

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Philip Barnes
A good idea. Just thought I should mention the relation through_route, which is related to this, where the main road though a junction so that routers can give correct turn instructions, although none I know of support this. Often the through route is not the straight ahead, so a turn is often i