Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

I'm sorry about removing the video. This time the sound was recorded, but everything remained black. I think I'll start using Hangouts on Air from now on. If you only want to draw a map of where the buses travel, maybe version 1 of the PT scheme will do. If you want to know how they actually get f

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 23:44, Jo wrote: I think what I'm trying to say is: there are many more bus routes (and their variations) than train route relations to be mapped. If we insist that it has to be: stop_position platform so double tagging, I think I'll abandon and I'll understand that most people will

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

sent from a phone > On 12. May 2017, at 23:25, Tijmen Stam wrote: > > On some buses however, the GPS reader is over the driver, while at others, > it's at the rear end. Something that can make a difference of 25 metres on > our long double-bendy buses you should take this into account whe

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

I think what I'm trying to say is: there are many more bus routes (and their variations) than train route relations to be mapped. If we insist that it has to be: stop_position platform so double tagging, I think I'll abandon and I'll understand that most people will never start mapping public tra

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 20:12, Colin Smale wrote: How about a step back for a second here... What is the stop_position intended for? Who is it intended to help or inform? A bit of context would help to rank the possibilities. I remain by my earlier standpoint that a stop_position is too much detail for a ro

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 00:14, Warin wrote: On 12-May-17 07:45 AM, Tijmen Stam wrote: On 10-05-17 18:59, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hello again, In an osm:relation:route (type=route, route=train/...), you have both platforms and stop positions. How is a par

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 00:06, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hi Tijmen, many thanks. Yes, I understand the wiki that way too, i.e. suggest one stop_area for the station and associated infrastructure. Follow up question: In the relation you have .../stop/platform/stop/platform/stop/platform/... - would you agree w

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

My preference is to make the platform part of the route. A node tagged public_transport=platform railway=stop /highway=bus_stop (so they render on carto) name= ref= This works particularly well for bus, tram, metro. It doesn't work all too well for trains, as they often arrive at different platf

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

How about a step back for a second here... What is the stop_position intended for? Who is it intended to help or inform? A bit of context would help to rank the possibilities. I remain by my earlier standpoint that a stop_position is too much detail for a route as it is too variable to be useful.

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Michael, that's very helpful, thanks. I'll implement the ref as well as the ordering. I'll also add this to the English wiki pages where needed. I'll have a look at the DE page as well. Examples for nodes as requested. Stop_position at: - End of platform (middle of line) node 13328915 - End of

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Bjoern, Am 2017-05-11 um 11:17 schrieb Bjoern Hassler: > in the case of 4a/4b etc I would put in different stop points. If 4a always > serves one route, then 4a would be added to the route relation. Maybe if 4a > / 5a / 6a can all serve the same route, then I don't know what the solution > is..

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Bjoern, Am 2017-05-11 um 12:08 schrieb Bjoern Hassler: > Basically, I'm trying to understand > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Members. There's the > concept of station vs. stop_position, in case there are many stop_positions > in a station / stop_area. Sorry for London examp

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Bjoern, Am 2017-05-10 um 18:59 schrieb Bjoern Hassler: > In an osm:relation:route > (type=route, > route=train/...), you have both platforms and stop positions. How is a > particular platform associated with a stop that serves it? > > E.g.

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-May-17 07:45 AM, Tijmen Stam wrote: On 10-05-17 18:59, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hello again, In an osm:relation:route (type=route, route=train/...), you have both platforms and stop positions. How is a particular platform associated with

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Tijmen, many thanks. Yes, I understand the wiki that way too, i.e. suggest one stop_area for the station and associated infrastructure. Follow up question: In the relation you have .../stop/platform/stop/platform/stop/platform/... - would you agree with the convention that the stop comes firs

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 10-05-17 18:59, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hello again, In an osm:relation:route (type=route, route=train/...), you have both platforms and stop positions. How is a particular platform associated with a stop that serves it? E.g. for public tra

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On Thursday, 11 May 2017, Bjoern Hassler wrote: > HI Phil, hi Colin, > > in the case of 4a/4b etc I would put in different stop points. If 4a always > serves one route, then 4a would be added to the route relation. Maybe if 4a > / 5a / 6a can all serve the same route, then I don't know what the so

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Colin, Colin: Actually, in the case you mentioned (short/long trains), I guess > there could also be several stop points. I think that's not a problem. It's > just you would only add one of those to the route relation. For the several > stop points, ideally there would be a note, saying "front

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Bjoern, On 2017-05-11 11:17, Bjoern Hassler wrote: > HI Phil, hi Colin, > > Colin: Actually, in the case you mentioned (short/long trains), I guess there > could also be several stop points. I think that's not a problem. It's just > you would only add one of those to the route relation. F

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

HI Phil, hi Colin, in the case of 4a/4b etc I would put in different stop points. If 4a always serves one route, then 4a would be added to the route relation. Maybe if 4a / 5a / 6a can all serve the same route, then I don't know what the solution is Maybe you just add a new stop point somewher

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On Wed, 2017-05-10 at 18:42 +0100, Bjoern Hassler wrote: > > But yes - what do you do if a rain route goes through a station, > > where the rails temporarily split into several tracks? Where is the > > stop position for that route? Clearly in that case stop_positions > > on the route cannot be asso

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

> > But yes - what do you do if a rain route goes through a station, where the > rails temporarily split into several tracks? Where is the stop position for > that route? Clearly in that case stop_positions on the route cannot be > associated with platforms in the station, and full routing is not p

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Phil, > > The main issue with stop positions is that they cannot be associated with > a route, the position will depend on which platform the train is routed > through and the length of the train. The best OSM can do is route to the > station and then its look at, or wait for, the information b

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On Wed, 2017-05-10 at 19:15 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > Just to add a dimension... At many stations in NL and UK at least, > trains of different lengths stop at different places along the > platform, roughly so the middle of the train is by the exit. So this > will need multiple stop positions on e

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Colin, Ah - that may also explain why sometimes the stop is marked at the end of the platform. Having said this, I interpret the notes on the wiki for railway=stop / public_transport=stop_position to be the "logical stop". https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Members says on node

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Just to add a dimension... At many stations in NL and UK at least, trains of different lengths stop at different places along the platform, roughly so the middle of the train is by the exit. So this will need multiple stop positions on each platform. These are signed for the train driver. On 2017-

[Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hello again, In an osm:relation:route (type=route, route=train/...), you have both platforms and stop positions. How is a particular platform associated with a stop that serves it? E.g. for public transport routing, you'd walk (highway=footway