Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-11 16:51 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring : > This is why I am of the view that survey points should be mapped on > separate nodes. I agree, having an area tagged as "survey point" doesn't make much sense, it will be a precise point, typically marked with a metal sign similar to this: http://

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread Warin
On 12/03/2015 1:43 AM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Here is a fine example of this case : http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/236843122 The description tag explains that the reference point is the base of the christian cross on this bell tower. I think it makes sense of mapping this this way : in a sens

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 11/03/2015 14:43, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Adding a separate survey_point node would have little benefit. The problem in many cases is the "man_made" key. I come across many objects that were tagged "man_made=lighthouse", with other tags describing attributes of that structure, but then an

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 11/03/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-03-11 12:49 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > >> I assume a tower on a distant mountain is a survey_reference_object or >> similar. It certainly isn't a point. > > maybe the tower has a point defined (e.g. top of the antenna or a sign or > similar) which c

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 11/03/2015 11:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: maybe the tower has a point defined (e.g. top of the antenna or a sign or similar) which could be a survey_point. Since surveyors have to take bearings-from as well as bearings-to survey points, the point would have to be located where survey ins

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-11 12:49 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > I assume a tower on a distant mountain is a survey_reference_object or > similar. It certainly isn't a point. maybe the tower has a point defined (e.g. top of the antenna or a sign or similar) which could be a survey_point. cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread John Willis
A survey point is those brass markers in the ground - an official X in the ground of some kind. I assume a tower on a distant mountain is a survey_reference_object or similar. It certainly isn't a point. Javbw > On Mar 11, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Malcolm Herring > wrote: > > OK, the mapper in

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 11/03/2015, Malcolm Herring wrote: > I took a quick look at these objects & the few that I examined were > actually created as areas, rather than had been converted from a node. > The most egregious example is this one: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199650922. It is a square with sides > o

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread SomeoneElse
On 11/03/2015 10:23, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 11/03/2015 09:46, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Care to review them ? I took a quick look at these objects & the few that I examined were actually created as areas, rather than had been converted from a node. The most egregious example is this one:

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 11/03/2015 09:46, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Care to review them ? I took a quick look at these objects & the few that I examined were actually created as areas, rather than had been converted from a node. The most egregious example is this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199650922. I

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 11/03/2015, Malcolm Herring wrote: > OK, the mapper in question did not reply, but silently removed the tags. > This leaves me none the wiser as to the more widespread usage of this tag. At least that's reassurance that a buoy, which can drift quite a bit on the surface, isn't considered as a

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread Malcolm Herring
OK, the mapper in question did not reply, but silently removed the tags. This leaves me none the wiser as to the more widespread usage of this tag. Looking closer at the data, it appears that "man_made=survey_point" is very often added to prominent objects, particularly towers, masts and light

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-09 Thread Warin
On 10/03/2015 8:02 AM, Malcolm Herring wrote: The Wiki is very clear (in several languages) as what a survey point is, but is there some other meaning that mappers understand this term to mean? The reason I ask is that I often come across man_made=survey_point tags that have been added to other

[Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-09 Thread Malcolm Herring
The Wiki is very clear (in several languages) as what a survey point is, but is there some other meaning that mappers understand this term to mean? The reason I ask is that I often come across man_made=survey_point tags that have been added to other objects. Not infrequently this tag replaces a