Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-10 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/10 Tobias Knerr > Simone Saviolo wrote: > > Ok, but there are use cases where simple things don't suffice. In the > > case at hand, for example, using something like direction=forward > > doesn't work in all the use cases. And using direction= > degrees> is in no way simpler (can you figur

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-10 Thread Tobias Knerr
Simone Saviolo wrote: > Ok, but there are use cases where simple things don't suffice. In the > case at hand, for example, using something like direction=forward > doesn't work in all the use cases. And using direction= degrees> is in no way simpler (can you figure a newcomer trying to work > out t

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-10 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/10 Serge Wroclawski > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Simone Saviolo > wrote: > > > if we make a system that any newcomer can > > use completely without even having to dwelve into the details, then we're > > basically dumbing it down and limiting its potential. > > I think we're venturing

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > if we make a system that any newcomer can > use completely without even having to dwelve into the details, then we're > basically dumbing it down and limiting its potential. I think we're venturing a bit off topic, but you're keying on to a

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/9 Mike N > On 8/9/2011 10:44 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > >> Relations make the map hard to work with. >> > > Agree - one of the barriers to entry by new mappers is the complexity. We > need to do everything possible to keep it simple and usable. And not just > by creating ever-more-c

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Mike N
On 8/9/2011 10:44 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Relations make the map hard to work with. Agree - one of the barriers to entry by new mappers is the complexity. We need to do everything possible to keep it simple and usable. And not just by creating ever-more-complex models and updating all

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/9/2011 11:34 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: 2011/8/9 Pieren mailto:pier...@gmail.com>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Serge Wroclawski mailto:emac...@gmail.com>> wrote: A big +1. I'm afraid that people promoting relations (once they understand the concept, they want to use it e

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/9/2011 10:44 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Relations are overused in OSM, and it causes a huge amount of difficulty in spreading mapping. I am often editing relations that other people make; they're often broken. They're broken because it's hard to make them correctly, and fixing a relation i

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/9 Pieren > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > > A big +1. > I'm afraid that people promoting relations (once they understand the > concept, they want to use it everywhere) are not the one editing often the > map data ... > -1. I use them often, and I would like to s

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: A big +1. I'm afraid that people promoting relations (once they understand the concept, they want to use it everywhere) are not the one editing often the map data ... Pieren ___ Tagging mailing li

[Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: > Of course. When you get to the road you'll see its surface and lane count, Lane count and surface are useful for many things: For routing, for rendering, for analyzing traffic and capacity. Tell me what direction is useful for other than 3d