Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-08-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/8 Paul Johnson : > On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:48:15 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >>> A few states, usually those with turnpikes, allow bicycles on >>> expressways (trunks: motorways with at-grade intersections) and >>> freeways (toll-free motorways), but not on turnpikes (toll motorways).

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:48:15 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> A few states, usually those with turnpikes, allow bicycles on >> expressways (trunks: motorways with at-grade intersections) and >> freeways (toll-free motorways), but not on turnpikes (toll motorways). > > > If you have those exc

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-21 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/17 Paul Johnson : > Motorway doesn't (or shouldn't) imply any access restrictions, just that > it doesn't have at-grade intersections (save for emergency vehicle, or > rarely, extremely rural range access). IMHO motorways should indeed imply access restrictions for non- and light-motorized

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:48:49 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > I think the two of you are using different definitions of "access > restrictions". The ones that are implied by motorway relate to whether > certain vehicles (such as bicycles or shoes) can access the road, while > a surface expressway

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:40:08 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:32 AM, David ``Smith'' > wrote: >>  You might be thinking, "what's an expressway?"  The >> short answer is, it's just like a freeway/motorway but with at-grade >> intersections. > > Huh? That's weird to me. > >

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-16 Thread John F. Eldredge
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Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-16 Thread David ``Smith''
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:39 PM, David ``Smith'' > wrote: >> >> Add to that >> grade_separated=* and you would indeed describe what is physically a >> freeway/motorway. > > What's the point of grade_separated=*?  I thought that was covered by > br

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:39 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: > Add to that > grade_separated=* and you would indeed describe what is physically a > freeway/motorway. What's the point of grade_separated=*? I thought that was covered by bridge/tunnel=yes and the lack of sharing of nodes at the point w

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:39 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: >> From: Martin Simon >> Hi! >> >> Please be aware that the "motorroad" tag is not about motorway-like >> grade seperation, but only motorway-like access restrictions. >> >> I think a combination of motorroad=* and grade_seperated=* would do

[Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-16 Thread David ``Smith''
> From: Martin Simon > Hi! > > Please be aware that the "motorroad" tag is not about motorway-like > grade seperation, but only motorway-like access restrictions. > > I think a combination of motorroad=* and grade_seperated=* would do > the job quite well (and could describe any combination of the

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-16 Thread David ``Smith''
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:32 AM, David ``Smith'' wrote: >>  You might be thinking, "what's an expressway?"  The >> short answer is, it's just like a freeway/motorway but with at-grade >> intersections. > > Huh?  That's weird to me. > > The on

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-15 Thread Bill Ricker
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:32 AM, David ``Smith'' wrote: >  You might be thinking, "what's an expressway?"  The > short answer is, it's just like a freeway/motorway but with at-grade > intersections. Huh? That's weird to me. The only Expressway so named nearby Boston (USA) is fully ramp-interch

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-15 Thread Anthony
Strong oppose to motorway_indication. First of all, it's confusing. Secondly, it encourages people to tag roads which are not motorways as highway=motorway and motorway=no. Thirdly, there is no definition given for what a motorway is. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:32 AM, David ``Smith'' wrote: > T

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-15 Thread Martin Simon
2010/7/15 Richard Mann : > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Martin Simon wrote: >> I think a combination of motorroad=* and grade_seperated=* would do > > grade_separated please (ie with an "a" in the middle) Right... :-) ___ Tagging mailing list Taggi

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-15 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Martin Simon wrote: > I think a combination of motorroad=* and grade_seperated=* would do grade_separated please (ie with an "a" in the middle) Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.op

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-14 Thread Martin Simon
2010/7/14 David ``Smith'' : >> From: fly >> Please have a look at motorroad=yes/no and show the differences between that >> and >> your proposals on the proposal-pages. > > I was not aware of this tag.  It's not significantly used in America. > I took a look at the wiki page, and it does indeed s

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-14 Thread David ``Smith''
> From: John Smith > On 14 July 2010 14:32, David ``Smith'' wrote: >> motorways!"  This proposal is about separating form from function, >> opening the possibility for things like "trunk motorways" and > > Erm we can already do this: > > highway=trunk > oneway=yes > lanes=2 That's a fine descrip

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-14 Thread fly
Am 14.07.2010 06:32, schrieb David ``Smith'': > The proposals are here: > > > > > You might be thinking, "we already have a simple way to indicat

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 July 2010 14:32, David ``Smith'' wrote: > motorways!" This proposal is about separating form from function, > opening the possibility for things like "trunk motorways" and Erm we can already do this: highway=trunk oneway=yes lanes=2 Where is the benefit in making things more complicated

[Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-13 Thread David ``Smith''
The proposals are here: You might be thinking, "we already have a simple way to indicate motorways!" This proposal is about separating form from