Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-25 Thread Andy Townsend
On 25/07/2020 17:21, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 25/07/2020 07.06, Andy Townsend wrote: Why do people in OSM map anything?  I can't see any reason why I'd want to add urban buildings, or comprehensive address data, or a whole bunch of other things that people think are _really important_. How

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-25 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 25/07/2020 07.06, Andy Townsend wrote: Why do people in OSM map anything?  I can't see any reason why I'd want to add urban buildings, or comprehensive address data, or a whole bunch of other things that people think are _really important_. How are addresses _not_ important? If I'm trying

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-07-25 at 18:07 +0200, pangoSE wrote: > Fine by me to attach them to whatever. > I would not map them twice. > > Anyway I never met or heard about anyone who wanted to navigate to a > signpost. Usually people navigate to attractions like a lake or a > firepit or a viewpoint or simple f

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-25 Thread pangoSE
Fine by me to attach them to whatever. I would not map them twice. Anyway I never met or heard about anyone who wanted to navigate to a signpost. Usually people navigate to attractions like a lake or a firepit or a viewpoint or simple follow a route and walk past the guideposts. I find them some

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-25 Thread Peter Elderson
Op za 25 jul. 2020 om 13:07 schreef Andy Townsend : > > (re adding guideposts to route relations) > > On 21/07/2020 22:18, Peter Elderson wrote: > > I think the Why question comes first. Why do people in OSM map anything? I can't see any reason why I'd want > to add urban buildings, or comprehen

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-25 Thread Andy Townsend
(re adding guideposts to route relations) On 21/07/2020 22:18, Peter Elderson wrote: I think the Why question comes first! Why do people in OSM map anything?  I can't see any reason why I'd want to add urban buildings, or comprehensive address data, or a whole bunch of other things that peo

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-23 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 21:00, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:59 PM Paul Allen wrote: > >> Different cultural expectations. You're looking for information about a >> trail and don't care what form it takes. >> > > I suppose that you therefore consider that the principal tag for

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-23 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:59 PM Paul Allen wrote: > Different cultural expectations. You're looking for information about a > trail and don't care what form it takes. > I suppose that you therefore consider that the principal tag for these objects, `tourism=information` is somewhat misleading,

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-23 Thread Jan Michel
On 23.07.20 18:57, Paul Allen wrote: Here's an example I used to travel past regularly. But that was years ago, and the last time I saw it was a couple of years before I started mapping. https://goo.gl/maps/fWvzsKneyMtSAFuW6 I remember roughly where it was, but not well enough to map it, so I h

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-23 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 17:34, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:23 AM Paul Allen wrote: > > Sometimes 'expectations' turn out, on examination, to be 'cultural > assumptions'. I tend to prefer, where possible, to interpret tags _sensu > lato,_ because otherwise there's a tagging qua

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-23 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:23 AM Paul Allen wrote: > > Good question. But it more closely resembles a guidepost than a blaze. > Whereas the things being shoe-horned into guidepost in this thread more > closely resemble blazes. Elaborate blazes with text. Not that I'm > arguing we should abuse

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-23 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 14:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: > ... and if the fingers are nailed on a shed, a common practice in the > mountains around here? > No post? Or the building is the post? > Good question. But it more closely resembles a guidepost than a blaze. Whereas the things being shoe-hor

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-23 Thread Volker Schmidt
... and if the fingers are nailed on a shed, a common practice in the mountains around here? No post? Or the building is the post? On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 14:07, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 02:03, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> No. The material the guidepost is made

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-23 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 02:03, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > No. The material the guidepost is made from is of lesser importance to > the fact that it is a 'guidepost'. > That is one viewpoint. It is something indicating the path of a route. Collect them all under one tag because they

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-22 Thread Warin
On 21/7/20 9:04 pm, Michal Fabík wrote: Hi, in some parts of the world, it's common practice to paint guidepost information (destinations, distances etc.) on rock faces, trees, walls and similar existing surfaces, rather than use purpose-made plates attached to a pole. (Example: https://osm.f

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Jul 2020, at 17:10, pangoSE wrote: > > I suggest you add the guidepost to a node on the path instead. I am mapping guideposts rather rarely, when I do it, I place them on their actual position, sometimes on building outlines, or on retaining walls, or just flying

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
Guidebooks in a hiking/cycling route should be fine, provided they carry the role=guidepost tag. On Wed, 22 Jul 2020, 17:20 Andy Townsend, wrote: > On 22/07/2020 16:08, pangoSE wrote: > > > > I suggest you add the guidepost to a node on the path instead. > > > Please don't do this. If there's a

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 22/07/2020 16:08, pangoSE wrote: I suggest you add the guidepost to a node on the path instead. Please don't do this.  If there's a gate on one side of the road you wouldn't add that gate to the road itself, would you? I really think it would be nice to be able to say query and list all

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-22 Thread pangoSE
Bad practice if you ask me. Where do we limit what POI is nice to add? I have seen huts and shelters and viepoint and buildings added to routes in Sweden. It completely botches up the height profiling by data consumers like waymarked trails and the calculation of route length becomes harder. I

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 21. Juli 2020 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb pangoSE : > Andy Townsend skrev: (21 juli 2020 13:31:45 CEST) > >On 21/07/2020 12:04, Michal Fabík wrote: > > > > >I've also been trying to add these (both guideposts and route markers) > >to the relevant hiking route relation. > > That does not sound ri

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Peter Elderson
I think the Why question comes first! Best, Peter Elderson Op di 21 jul. 2020 om 21:47 schreef Andy Townsend : > On 21/07/2020 20:37, pangoSE wrote: > > > > Andy Townsend skrev: (21 juli 2020 13:31:45 CEST) > > > >> I've also been trying to add these (both guideposts and route markers) > >> to

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/07/2020 20:37, pangoSE wrote: Andy Townsend skrev: (21 juli 2020 13:31:45 CEST) I've also been trying to add these (both guideposts and route markers) to the relevant hiking route relation. That does not sound right to me. Why would you do that? How would you indicate which relation

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread pangoSE
Andy Townsend skrev: (21 juli 2020 13:31:45 CEST) >On 21/07/2020 12:04, Michal Fabík wrote: > >I've also been trying to add these (both guideposts and route markers) >to the relevant hiking route relation. That does not sound right to me. Why would you do that? A route relation is in my mind

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
+1, this can be somehow tagged, but there is no need to invent a new tag I would also tag guidepost attached to building as information=guidepost, even if it would be supported by wall, not a post 21 Jul 2020, 18:22 by jm...@gmx.com: > On 7/21/2020 11:02 AM, Jan Michel wrote: > >> Hi Michal, >>

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Jmapb
On 7/21/2020 11:02 AM, Jan Michel wrote: Hi Michal, I would stay with information=guidepost for those. They serve exactly the same purpose, so they should get the same major tag. It's only the way the sign is made that is different. You can add the common tags like "support", "material", "locatio

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 16:02, Jan Michel wrote: > > I would stay with information=guidepost for those. > That is fine if the only meaning you wish to convey is that there is something which indicates the path of the route. But there are those, like me, who think the physical appearance is impor

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Jan Michel
Hi Michal, I would stay with information=guidepost for those. They serve exactly the same purpose, so they should get the same major tag. It's only the way the sign is made that is different. You can add the common tags like "support", "material", "location" or "colour" to give further details

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 13:42, Michal Fabík wrote: > On 7/21/20 1:31 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > I've used "tourism=information; information=route_marker" for these. > > "trail_blaze" is also frequently used > > That doesn't sound right to me. If I understand the description on the > Wiki[1] corr

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Michal Fabík
On 7/21/20 1:31 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: I've used "tourism=information; information=route_marker" for these. "trail_blaze" is also frequently used That doesn't sound right to me. If I understand the description on the Wiki[1] correctly, what is tagged as "information=route_marker" or "inform

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/07/2020 12:04, Michal Fabík wrote: Hi, in some parts of the world, it's common practice to paint guidepost information (destinations, distances etc.) on rock faces, trees, walls and similar existing surfaces, rather than use purpose-made plates attached to a pole. (Example: https://osm.

[Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Michal Fabík
Hi, in some parts of the world, it's common practice to paint guidepost information (destinations, distances etc.) on rock faces, trees, walls and similar existing surfaces, rather than use purpose-made plates attached to a pole. (Example: https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody/files/21255.jpg) Do yo