Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

I was asked what I meant with - (this tag is purpose-free) My sloppy way of saying the tag is used to describe a shape (nearly) independently of its purpose. "embankment" in OSM is used in this multi -purpose way whereas "dyke" is only used for a narrow range of objects that are related to

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

I agree that there is a need to define the correct way to tag the center-line of a two-sided embankment or earthworks. This was mentioned previously in the discussion starting here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-May/045798.html and continued here: https://lists.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 20:47, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > >- First of all when I see a both-sided sloped linear elevation I do >not know I see a berm.because it is a rarely used term > > Can you see a pile of dirt? If so, it's a berm. If it's a bricks, blocks, rocks, concrete, wooden, steel

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 17:58, Jan Michel wrote: > the purpose of the berm - e.g. berm = noise_barrier usage=* may fit the need ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 17:58, Jan Michel wrote: > > - We should have a defined way to tag the purpose of the berm - e.g. > berm = noise_barrier > Yes, that would be good. I'm actually just thinking that it may be better to move it to man_made= rather than barrier=, as you may get the situation o

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

Am Do., 28. Nov. 2019 um 15:04 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend : > Please do explain how at rendering I can change what's in the data at > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/53.22594/-0.48389 to something more > like https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/359607456 so that at anything less > than z16 you

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On 28/11/2019 13:03, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 12:45, Andy Townsend > wrote: Tagging 2 things to represent 1 physical feature just makes it extra-hard for anyone consuming the data. Yet we have a very similar problem with "two things, two object

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

I have used in past a way with only one tag: embankment=yes to map small earth walls with nothing on top. I admit that I have not checked the rendering, but this seems to me a simple solution. On Thu, 28 Nov 2019, 14:05 Paul Allen, wrote: > On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 12:45, Andy Townsend wrote: > >

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 12:45, Andy Townsend wrote: Tagging 2 things to represent 1 physical feature just makes it extra-hard > for anyone consuming the data. > Yet we have a very similar problem with "two things, two objects." We make a tennis court surrounded by a fence two objects for good re

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

Am Do., 28. Nov. 2019 um 13:45 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend : > Tagging 2 things to represent 1 physical feature just makes it extra-hard > for anyone consuming the data. They'd have to say "OK, I've got a > man_made=embankment here; now, before I decide what to do with it, I have > to see if there

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On 28/11/2019 11:42, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 10:56, Andy Townsend > wrote: OSM Carto, as far as I'm aware * Doesn't have a concept of 2-sided embankments or a rendering for them Does it need such a concept?  I haven't tried it when

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 10:56, Andy Townsend wrote: > OSM Carto, as far as I'm aware > >- Doesn't have a concept of 2-sided embankments or a rendering for them > > Does it need such a concept? I haven't tried it when the embankment resembles an arete, but for an embankment with a plateau all

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On 28/11/2019 09:59, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 00:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Question of my own - is there any particular reason that a berm couldn't just be rendered the same as a wall? That question prompts another question. Why

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

I see a number of problems with the proposal - First of all when I see a both-sided sloped linear elevation I do not know I see a berm.because it is a rarely used term - Second it is ill-defined from the shape point of view: it can define a step in an earth wall and it can mean an eart

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 00:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Question of my own - is there any particular reason that a berm couldn't > just be rendered the same as a wall? > That question prompts another question. Why render it as a wall? Since a berm is a type of embankment, why not render it

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

How about use=* /* Answers the question: what's the use of this thing? Well, the use=* Fr gr Peter Elderson Op do 28 nov. 2019 om 09:53 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > Am Do., 28. Nov. 2019 um 01:23 Uhr schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick < > graemefi...@gmail.com>: > >>

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

Jan Michel wrote on 11/28/19 8:56 AM: > Hi Graeme, > > On 26.11.19 03:50, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >> Following the recent discussions of protective walls, I've created a page for >> barrier=berm https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dberm > > I think it's a good idea to have a dedica

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

Am Do., 28. Nov. 2019 um 01:23 Uhr schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick < graemefi...@gmail.com>: > A berm, in modern usage, does indeed refer to any number of broadly > similar concepts, in that it is (usually) a simple pile of dirt, either > bare, or covered with grass. > > So how about changing the defin

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

Hi Graeme, On 26.11.19 03:50, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Following the recent discussions of protective walls, I've created a page for barrier=berm https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dberm I think it's a good idea to have a dedicated tag for this type of walls. I don't want to co

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

Thanks everybody for your comments! Without trying to quote each one of you individually ... OK, if it should be a proposal, how to change it? Just alter the name of the page to "Proposed Features/Tag:barrier=berm", or does the page have to be moved? A berm, in modern usage, does indeed refer to

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

For "my" shooting range I think a way with a single tag embankment=yes is sufficient. For a large levee it is not. Let's concentrate on the big items where size matters. On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 14:33, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 13:11, Tony OSM wrote: > > A earthwork raised eleme

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 13:11, Tony OSM wrote: A earthwork raised element which has an armoured side seems to be a > revetment - I can see no use of this in OSM., but it is in many books about > castles and fortifications. > When it comes to castles, a revetment is essentially a retaining wall th

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 08:30, Volker Schmidt wrote: I am not at all happy with "berm". It is unfortunately a term used for a > number of different things all related to earthworks. > It appears that the technical term for the part of the range which the shot impacts is known as the butts or a ba

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

How do we know that 61 precious uses of the word berm all meant the same? without verifying each one . The english wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berm allows * the level step element of raised barrier * raised element without a level element An earthwork raised element with a way on

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

Am Di., 26. Nov. 2019 um 09:30 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt : > Graeme, please mark the page as proposal. > > I am not at all happy with "berm". It is unfortunately a term used for a > number of different things all related to earthworks. > What is missing in OSM are clean-cut mapping possibilities

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

Berms are also used in motocross.. and MTBs Scroll halfway down this page https://www.dirtbikes101.com/arts/dirt-bike-riding-tips-corners.html Looks like berm is a term used/misused for some different things.. may be best to use something else? On 26/11/19 19:28, Volker Schmidt wrote: Gr

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

Graeme, please mark the page as proposal. I am not at all happy with "berm". It is unfortunately a term used for a number of different things all related to earthworks. What is missing in OSM are clean-cut mapping possibilities for (slopped) earth walls and for (one-sided) slopes. Berm is neither

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

The proposal looks good to me. Thanks for your effort. On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Following the recent discussions of protective walls, I've created a page > for barrier=berm https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dberm > > As it is already in use 61 t

[Tagging] Barrier=berm

Following the recent discussions of protective walls, I've created a page for barrier=berm https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dberm As it is already in use 61 times, I didn't think we had to go through the full RFC / voting procedure, but please correct me if I'm wrong? As always,