Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-26 Thread Ronnie Soak
2013/2/26 A.Pirard.Papou > > > The specification I'm trying to suggest is exactly that. > There is a gap in an OSM route and the sole idea is to bridge it. > We must indicate "go from here to there in an unspecified way". > It is just to > >- make sure that those who follow the route will go

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-26 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2013-02-26 15:24, Erik Johansson wrote : On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:53 PM, A.Pirard.Papou wrote: maybe add the key "informal"=yes to the path? I do this for "spontaneous" ways and it is also documented in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:informal And the other suggestions, m

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-26 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2013-02-26 15:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2013/2/23 A.Pirard.Papou A non-way is not the best word to describe my idea and I also do not feel comfortable with it. It's sort of a "secret [winding] little passage" that one must follow on demand. So, more than "informal=yes" (which I don't

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/23 A.Pirard.Papou > > A non-way is not the best word to describe my idea and I also do not feel > comfortable with it. > It's sort of a "secret [winding] little passage" that one must follow on > demand. > So, more than "informal=yes" (which I don't understand well), it would be a > stra

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-26 Thread Erik Johansson
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:53 PM, A.Pirard.Papou wrote: > maybe add the key "informal"=yes to the path? I do this for "spontaneous" > ways and it is also documented in the wiki: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:informal > > And the other suggestions, many thanks, sorry for not listing the

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2013-02-23 20:02, Jo wrote : It seems that you would like a specific role, which you can add to 2 members of a route relation (I'd add it to the two ways around your imaginary gap). If you do it that way, you don't need a non-existing member. And

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread Jo
2013/2/23 Peter Wendorff > Am 23.02.2013 20:02, schrieb Jo: > > It seems that you would like a specific role, which you can add to 2 >> members of a route relation (I'd add it to the two ways around your >> imaginary gap). >> >> If you do it that way, you don't need a non-existing member. And yo

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 23.02.2013 20:02, schrieb Jo: It seems that you would like a specific role, which you can add to 2 members of a route relation (I'd add it to the two ways around your imaginary gap). If you do it that way, you don't need a non-existing member. And you don't need to add nodes to a relation

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread Jo
It seems that you would like a specific role, which you can add to 2 members of a route relation (I'd add it to the two ways around your imaginary gap). If you do it that way, you don't need a non-existing member. And you don't need to add nodes to a relation which consists of ways. This doesn't

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2013-02-22 12:10, Janko Mihelić wrote : I'm not entirely sure I understood your question, but you shouldn't map non-ways. Routers could be developed that route through non-ways, if there is no cliff or something else in the way. A router could route along the contour lines, to make the hike

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread Janko Mihelić
Maybe if it's walking through grass, you could only put surface=grass on the way, because that's all there is, grass (or gravel or sand, whatever). You could put that grass in a hiking route. That means there are no cliffs, water, rocks or something else on the way, only grass you have to walk thro

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/23/13 8:34 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: This UK meaning of "footpad" is the only one that I, as an American, was familiar with. I had come across it in older books. same here. it's not commonly used in the US today, but shows up in the literature, so it's not entirely unfamiliar. richard

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread John F. Eldredge
ael wrote: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 09:37:13AM +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:29 AM, John F. Eldredge > wrote: > > > Footpath, not footpad. A footpad is a type of robber. If I saw a > path marked as highway=footpad, it would suggest that the path is > through a high

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/22 Steve Bennett : > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:29 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: >> Footpath, not footpad. A footpad is a type of robber. If I saw a path >> marked as highway=footpad, it would suggest that the path is through a >> high-crime area, and you are likely to be mugged. > > Hmm,

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-23 Thread ael
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 09:37:13AM +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:29 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > > Footpath, not footpad. A footpad is a type of robber. If I saw a path > > marked as highway=footpad, it would suggest that the path is through a > > high-crime area, an

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Jo, On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jo wrote: > pad is Dutch for path. (It also means toad in Dutch, but that is, of course, > unrelated) > > In English I only knew pad as something to jot on. Like a notepad. > > Maybe you should add those other meanings to Wiktionary.org, Good suggestion. T

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread John F. Eldredge
Jo wrote: > pad is Dutch for path. (It also means toad in Dutch, but that is, of > course, unrelated) > > In English I only knew pad as something to jot on. Like a notepad. > > Maybe you should add those other meanings to Wiktionary.org, > > Jo > > 2013/2/22 Steve Bennett > > > On Sat, Feb

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:29 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Footpath, not footpad. A footpad is a type of robber. If I saw a path > marked as highway=footpad, it would suggest that the path is through a > high-crime area, and you are likely to be mugged. Hmm, it must be a fairly uncommonly use

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread John F. Eldredge
Steve Bennett wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Erik Johansson > wrote: > > I feel dirty every time I do that, they are usually tagged as > > surface=mud.. :-) Basically I map them if there really is a path > > there and it seems usefull, even though it's clearly not a > designated > >

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Erik Johansson wrote: > I feel dirty every time I do that, they are usually tagged as > surface=mud.. :-) Basically I map them if there really is a path > there and it seems usefull, even though it's clearly not a designated > path. There definitely should be a

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > 2013/2/22 Janko Mihelić >> >> I'm not entirely sure I understood your question, but you shouldn't map >> non-ways. Routers could be developed that route through non-ways, if there >> is no cliff or something else in the way. A rou

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/22 Janko Mihelić > I'm not entirely sure I understood your question, but you shouldn't map > non-ways. Routers could be developed that route through non-ways, if there > is no cliff or something else in the way. A router could route along the > contour lines, to make the hike through fores

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
I'm not entirely sure I understood your question, but you shouldn't map non-ways. Routers could be developed that route through non-ways, if there is no cliff or something else in the way. A router could route along the contour lines, to make the hike through forest easier. But if there is no path,

[Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
Hello world, It can happen for a hiking route, maybe others, to go across a non-way. One may for example get people across some land without a path or officially start and end a hike in the middle of a parking lot. What must we do: * create a pseudo way and what are the tags? * more likely