Re: [Tagging] Adding directionality to stop signs

2017-03-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:45 PM, yo paseopor wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Paul Johnson > wrote: > >> >> Turn restrictions are extremely common and managed using relations, so we >> know relations don't have to be hard. It's possible for the editors to >> adapt to make this easy.

Re: [Tagging] Adding directionality to stop signs

2017-03-22 Thread yo paseopor
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Turn restrictions are extremely common and managed using relations, so we > know relations don't have to be hard. It's possible for the editors to > adapt to make this easy. There's no real reason enforcement and similar > from/to/device

Re: [Tagging] Adding directionality to stop signs

2017-03-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > BTW the Stop sign is even more frequent in Italy than in the US, but it >> influences much less the travel time, because drivers simply don't stop >> most of the time, contrary to the practice in the US, or Germany, or the UK. >> > > Don't

Re: [Tagging] Adding directionality to stop signs

2017-03-22 Thread Paul Johnson
Missed replying to this earlier... On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I would consider having to create (and manage) relations for this tedious, > and error prone in case of editing. Turn restrictions are extremely common and managed using relations, so we know relations

Re: [Tagging] Adding directionality to stop signs

2017-03-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Given the effect of the stopping process on the overall travel time > (mainly for cars), we need a way that can be used by routing algorithms. > It's even worse with bicycles, since actual human effort has to happen to accelerate from a s

Re: [Tagging] Adding directionality to stop signs

2017-03-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-21 12:57 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo : > Don't confuse the give way sign with the stop sign. Stop requires the > driver to stop, even in Italy. Sure, many people don't, but that doesn't > mean they should :) If rule ignorance is systematic and you can almost rely on the police ignoring you

Re: [Tagging] Adding directionality to stop signs

2017-03-21 Thread Simone Saviolo
2017-03-20 17:36 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt : > I am inserting them in quantity, but only in the simple way of a node on > the way. "My" stop signs apply to the nearest junction. This should in > principle allow a routing algorithm to determine the directionality of the > sign. I would consider havi

Re: [Tagging] Adding directionality to stop signs

2017-03-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-20 17:36 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt : > BTW the Stop sign is even more frequent in Italy than in the US, but it > influences much less the travel time, because drivers simply don't stop > most of the time, contrary to the practice in the US, or Germany, or the UK. yes, because (traffic re

Re: [Tagging] Adding directionality to stop signs

2017-03-20 Thread Volker Schmidt
Given the effect of the stopping process on the overall travel time (mainly for cars), we need a way that can be used by routing algorithms. I am inserting them in quantity, but only in the simple way of a node on the way. "My" stop signs apply to the nearest junction. This should in principle allo

[Tagging] Adding directionality to stop signs

2017-03-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Since nodes lack direction, but relations do... seems like a stop sign > > relation would be ideal, with multiple ways for the "from" role and the > node > > where it applies as the "to"