Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
It is my understanding that Britain also uses the "true statements that harm a reputation are libel", but that it is mainly used against the news media. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only lov

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-23 Thread johnw
Looks like Amenity=soapland is more and more appealing. >< those libel laws... ouch. I thought the UK also had some pretty strict >libel laws too. On Sep 24, 2014, at 1:26 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 23 Sep 2014 16:29, "Mateusz Konieczny" wrote: > > Are you serious that in Thailan

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 23 Sep 2014 16:29, "Mateusz Konieczny" wrote: > Are you serious that in Thailand they have something like "criminal libel" defined as > "any statement that harms the reputation of somebody/something"? In the Netherlands, this is the case as well. It is, basically, a criminal offence to harm so

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-09-23 16:56 GMT+02:00 Mishari Muqbil : > Even if it's the truth, it's criminal libel if you state it as a > brothel. There's an interesting saying which you can Google that goes > "the greater the truth, the greater the libel". > Libel is defined as "false statement that harms the reputation

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-23 Thread Guttorm Flatabø
Hi Mishari, 2014-09-23 16:56 GMT+02:00 Mishari Muqbil : > I had an interesting conversation with legal today. > I'm assuming "legal" is a department at your workplace. > Even if it's the truth, it's criminal libel if you state it as a > brothel. There's an interesting saying which you can Goog

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-23 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Mishari Muqbil wrote: > I've also been advised that Thailand is not the only country with this > legal concept and that as we should be mindful and cautious of this. But in OSM we map what's on the ground. Create a new tag like "amenity=brothel_even_if_it_is_not_

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-23 Thread Mishari Muqbil
Hi, I had an interesting conversation with legal today. Even if it's the truth, it's criminal libel if you state it as a brothel. There's an interesting saying which you can Google that goes "the greater the truth, the greater the libel". The people who will be liable under the Computer Crimes A

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 22 September 2014 13:57, johnw wrote: > Yea, it's a brothel - but it is avery particular style of brothel in Asia to > get around the laws , and AFAIK has very different customs than what I > imagine a more european or australian brothel is. because of the type of > service that is expected, I

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread johnw
Yea, it's a brothel - but it is avery particular style of brothel in Asia to get around the laws , and AFAIK has very different customs than what I imagine a more european or australian brothel is. because of the type of service that is expected, I don't believe it meshes well with what someone

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Guttorm Flatabø
2014-09-22 13:47 GMT+02:00 Mishari Muqbil : > I realise that it's my fault for not being very clear from the beginning. > I think as John mentions, amenity=soapland is about right. I do suspect > that the establishments in Thailand are based on the same concept as those > which exist in Japan. >

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Mishari Muqbil
Hi Dan, I realise that it's my fault for not being very clear from the beginning. I think as John mentions, amenity=soapland is about right. I do suspect that the establishments in Thailand are based on the same concept as those which exist in Japan. Should I create an entry in the wiki for th

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Dan S
2014-09-22 7:29 GMT+01:00 Stephan Knauss : > On 21.09.2014 11:04, Dan S wrote: >> >> It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your >> specific issue: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage > > please don't use shop=massage for this kind of places. > > I really

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 21.09.2014 11:04, Dan S wrote: It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage please don't use shop=massage for this kind of places. I really don't want them to show up on a map next to Wat Pho massage

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread John Willis
The name tag can be whatever it is, but making a amenity=soapland might be what you are looking for. That way there is no confusion with massage places and clearly understood to be for adult services. Javbw. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Mishari Muqbil wrote: > > Hi

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Mishari Muqbil
Hi, To avoid having the word "massage" throwing off the discussion, I'll refer to it under it's legal name of "entertainment place". I'll go ahead with the restrictions then, but the other issue is the specific legal classification that entertainment places fall under[1] as opposed to a regular,

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread John Willis
The word you are looking for soapland. Japan has the same "give you a bath and then have naughty fun" places called soaplands. They are becoming rarer and rarer, but that is the term for them. Fits pretty well with the "soapy massage". Using massage is not right because they are more for adult

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi, Well, that suggestion specifies access limits (i.e. only males age 21 or more), and if those are true facts and they're what you want to indicate, then go ahead. The access limits don't really tell you if something is soapy or not, but if you decide you only want to "imply" that and not to sta

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Mishari Muqbil
Hi, I saw that, but I'm not convinced it's the right approach as what I'm referring require a specific massage parlor license to operate as opposed to a regular traditional massage establishment which is more suited for shop=massage. I think it would be akin to saying a convenience store and super

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Dave Swarthout
@Dan S — Good answer. I was wondering how to tag such places myself. On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Dan S wrote: > Hi - > > It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your > specific issue: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage > > Best > Dan > > 2014-09-21

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi - It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage Best Dan 2014-09-21 4:23 GMT+01:00 Mishari Muqbil : > Hi, > > Thailand has these places called "entertainment complexes"[1] that > offers bathing + massa

[Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-20 Thread Mishari Muqbil
Hi, Thailand has these places called "entertainment complexes"[1] that offers bathing + massage services and quite often the expectation is that there will be sexual services offered. However, I don't want to tag them as brothels as prostitution on the premises is legally not allowed[2]. I propo