Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

> > > 1. Has this issue been discussed before and if so … what was the > outcome? > > 2. If not… do you agree with me that private front/back garden > should not be tagged with leisure=garden but with a non-leisure tag? (if > so… any suggestions? And what about private "gardens" that ar

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

> Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a > private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible > by the public? Do private parking lots get a different amenity-key ? > No, we refine this with additional tags. > This method can be applied to private gardens

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis : > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:50 AM Pee Wee wrote: > > Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a > private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible > by the public? Do private parking lots

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

e...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > On 12. Jul 2019, at 07:23, Pee Wee wrote: > > It seems to me that OSM leisure=garden wiki changed meaning on may 3, 2010 > when someone added a description of “Garden” from the Wikipedia garden > description that refers to p

[Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

Hi all I would like your opinion on the next issue. On the Dutch forum (googletranslate ) I started a thread about the tag leisure=garden for private front/back gardens. Reas

Re: [Tagging] traffic_sign:forward=*

Just want to let you know that in NL we have 3 kind of cycle ways . It is quite common to tag these ways with a traffic_sign in order to differen

[Tagging] Delete not marked walking routes?

On Talk-BE this question was asked. Since this is a question that applies not only to Belgium I thought it would be good to raise the question here. User Escada asked the same question on OSM help

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

First of all my compliments for seeking the opinions of the tagging mailing list and your effort to improve OSM. Here are my 2 cents 1 Why does OSM need to distinguish between obligatory and optional cycle ways? As a cyclist myself I can see some reasons why it could be useful for routers and/

Re: [Tagging] Dispute with user over changing wiki page

Good point Martin For this issue it is irrelevant what the real life identity is of this user. I'll not mention any of this in the e-mail to the DWG. (Not that I know that much about this mapper) Cheers Peter 2014-11-13 17:56 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2014-11-08 18:55 GMT+01:00 Michae

Re: [Tagging] Dispute with user over changing wiki page

Thanks all. We'll contact the DWG and see what they can do. Cheers PeeWee32 2014-11-11 23:37 GMT+01:00 Wolfgang Zenker : > Hi, > > * Pee Wee [14 19:20]: > > I thought I just wait some days for other to reply but unfortunately no > > more then yours. The questi

Re: [Tagging] Dispute with user over changing wiki page

we can do? Cheers PeeWee32 2014-11-08 18:55 GMT+01:00 Michael Reichert : > Hi PeeWee32, > > Am 2014-11-08 um 16:47 schrieb Pee Wee: > > We are writing to you for advice on what steps we should or could take > > next. The situation is best summarized as: > > > &g

[Tagging] Dispute with user over changing wiki page

We are writing to you for advice on what steps we should or could take next. The situation is best summarized as: 1. A user is attempting to change, without consensus, the meaning of a tag that was accepted through a proposal process. There are 2 changes that are arguable: one is a considerable c

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cycleway=soft_lane

Hi Hubert First of all I big compliment for bringing up the issue and tying to work towards a solution. If I look at the voting I see quite a few that would approve if it would be tagged with a sub-tag. My guess is that most voters that approved will also approve if the sub-tag would be proposed

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

Thanks Hubert I've changed the use_sidepath wiki so that it is clear that this is about cycleways that are drawn as a separate highway. 2014-10-23 22:55 GMT+02:00 Hubert : > I meant the two pages: > > > *https://wiki.openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

Thanks all for your reactions. I also think that the most changes made to wiki are made in good faith and with good intentions and that is to improve OSM. This even goes for Ulamm. He also wants to improve OSM but it is just the way he does this that gets me irritated. Most of us (I guess) do thi

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

Well... here's my experience with user Ulamm. He sure has taken away part of the fun it was contributing to this project. I've noticed he made some changes to the use_sidepath wiki. I asked him in a private mail for the reason of the

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

zny : > It is perfectly fine to revert somebody. See > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle > > 2014-10-08 12:48 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee : > >> If I understand correctly you say it would be better if the wiki stated >> that the compulsory cycleway i

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

If I understand correctly you say it would be better if the wiki stated that the compulsory cycleway is drawn as a separte way. I think you are right. I could changed that in the wiki. Unfortunately the user Ulamm has changed the wiki (for the worse in my opinion) so I'll send him an email before I

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

wee32 2014-09-24 19:03 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2014-09-24 18:40 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee : > >> I would not call sand "paved" but when we look at e.g.gravel / >> fine_gravel the opinions will vary. The OSM based Openfietsmap >> <http://www.openfie

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

> > As per Peewee post - the definition of 'paved' vs 'unpaved' is open to > interpretation. But I don't think anyone would accept 'sand' as being > 'paved'? > I would not call sand "paved" but when we look at e.g.gravel / fine_gravel the opinions will vary. The OSM based Openfietsmap

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 15:37 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > > > > Il giorno 21/set/2014, alle ore 09:29, Pee Wee ha > scritto: > > > > As you may have guessed I prefer surface=asphalt over surface=paved > since the last one could mean that it is gravel. > >

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

-1 A renderer/router is perfectly capable of deciding what he thinks is paved/unpaved. He can decide whether he calls gravel / fine_gravel paved or unpaved. Do not leave the decision paved/unpaved up to the mapper. Map what you see. As you may have guessed I prefer surface=asphalt over surface=pa

Re: [Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

n turn on email notifications by going on your settings page <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Preferences?uselang=en#mw-prefsection-personal> and turn on the checkbox "Email me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed".* Cheers PeeWee32 2014-08-20 8:27 GMT+02:00 Pee W

Re: [Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

0 fly : > Am 19.08.2014 10:38, schrieb Frederik Ramm: > > Hi, > > > > On 08/19/2014 09:04 AM, Pee Wee wrote: > >> Sure I could send an email to the person that changed this but what do > >> you think is the best way to deal with this changing wiki pages? Or

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 9:11 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > 2014-08-19 8:22 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee : > > In The Netherlands we more or less have agreement on this scheme >> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle_tags_map#Cycleway_tags>for >> tagging cycleways, cycle streets. I'

[Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

This year the bicycle=use_sidepath was accepeted. After the vote I made a wiki page . I've just noticed that the page was changed in such a way that it also changes the definition. The tag can only be applied in counties that have compu

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

In The Netherlands we more or less have agreement on this scheme for tagging cycleways, cycle streets. I've also noticed this is totally different from the schemes used in Germany and other countries. During the discussion on the pr

[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - (bicycle=use_sidepath) (was use_sideway)

On may 16th the voting ended. The result: 26 votes, 22 approve, 4 oppose. This means the proposal is accepted. I will do the post-vote clean up. Thanks everyone for voting and contributing. Cheers PeeWee32 -- Forwarded message -- From: Pee Wee Date: 2014-05-02 13:32 GMT+02

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (bicycle=use_sidepath) (was use_sideway)

On march 16 we launched the RFC for a "use_sideway" tag. There has not been much discussion about the proposal. The most discussion was on the NL forum about the name of the tag. It was mentioned that the word "sideway" is not a clear English word and can be confusing. There have been a few othe

[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - use_sideway (was bicycle=use_cycleway)

l to give us some hints on what they like to see changed in the proposal. Cheers. PeeWee32 ------ Forwarded message -- From: Pee Wee Date: 2014-03-21 8:26 GMT+01:00 Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - use_sideway (was bicycle=use_cycleway) To: "Tag discussion

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - use_sideway (was bicycle=use_cycleway)

eeWee32 2014-03-17 0:07 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen : > On 16 March 2014 17:34, Pee Wee wrote: > > Last november we proposed the "bicycle=use_cycleway". There was a lot of > > discussion before and during voting. The voting was very close but we > > decided to reject

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - use_sideway (was bicycle=use_cycleway)

This is an RFC for a new value: use_sideway. (which is an access value) Last november we proposed the "bicycle=use_cycleway". There was a lot of discussion before

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

style <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Finland:Traffic_signs> is not so bad after all ;-) cheers PeeWee32 2014-02-06 17:07 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2014-02-05 17:14 GMT+01:00 Pee Wee : > > I'd discourage this tagging (and, semantically it doesn't make sen

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-02 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > a node still doesn't have a direction, the node could also be the end of > more than one way, or there could be more ways going into the node, all of > which would make the situation unclear, and all of which can also happen in > the future. > I agree but I

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-02 Jo : > The 4th option is to use turn restrictions on the crossing where the > 'virtual' sign is placed. > > Jo > That may very wel be the best solution. That means we have to split the way at the location of the traffic_sign. That is kind of a shame because I was thinking of also addi

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-01 Martin Koppenhöfer : > > > > 1 seems the best representation, > But rather complicated I'm afraid > 2 is not working because a node has no direction > If a node is part of a way (which has a direction) a router should have enough information to conclude in which direction there is a m

[Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

On the Dutch forumthere is some discussion on how to tag a common situation. It is about a street that has no traffic sign on one end (side A) and a C6 sign on th

Re: [Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway

s a vitrue ;-) Cheers PeeWee32 2013/12/15 Martin Koppenhoefer > > 2013/12/15 Pee Wee >> >> 1. There are no absolute rules as to when it is approved/rejected >> (and I can understand that) >> > > > there are for voting: we require at least 15 votes an

Re: [Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway

ituation showing which roads are tagged with bicycle=use_cycleway. That should give routers enough information to propose a better route. Cheers PeeWee32 2013/12/14 Matthijs Melissen > On 13 December 2013 19:37, Pee Wee wrote: > > We want to thank all the contributors to this dis

Re: [Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway

is difficult to come to some sort of agreement but we're going to give it a try. Cheers PeeWee32 2013/12/14 Martin Koppenhoefer > > 2013/12/13 Pee Wee > >> Today the voting of the >> bicycle=use_cycleway<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bicycl

[Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway

Today the voting of the bicycle=use_cyclewayended. Voting results: Yes: 10 (not counting the 2 that made the proposal) No: 11 Abstain: 3 This is reason enough for us to work on a better proposal so we reject the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

As far as I know it is not common to change the wiki while voting. I want to change many things but I understand why it is not fair to change while voting. Today I noticed that user Emkey08 added info to wiki (Rationale routing) . Is this OK? Cheers PeeWee32 2013/12/2 Jonathan > Thankfully I d

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

Sorry this was my firts proposal. Wikilink http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle_use_cycleway 2013/11/29 Pieren > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Pee Wee wrote: > > Probably a link to the wiki would help... > > Pieren > >

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

Today voting has started. I hope our answers/comments to some objections have been good enough for your support. Happy voting. Cheers PeeWee32 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] country specific scheme - was: Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

Thanks for this information. Openfietsmap contacted me to get more detailed info. I'll send you an e-mail. 2013/11/15 Masi Master > Am 15.11.2013, 16:45 Uhr, schrieb Pee Wee : > > 2013/11/14 Martin Koppenhoefer >> >> >>> 2013/11/14 Ronnie Soak >>>

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

The proposed tag is also for odd vehicles. In NL and DE some bicycles with certain measurments may use the adjacent road. Not just for destination purposes. So I'm afraid a bicycle=destination will not work. 2013/11/16 Paul Johnson > > > On Friday, November 15, 2013, Masi Master wrote: > >> Am

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013/11/14 Martin Koppenhoefer > > 2013/11/14 Ronnie Soak > >> For the access tags (and we do discuss access tags here), it is common >> practice to have country-specific defaults on certain highway types as >> listed in the wiki [1] and only tag what contradicts those defaults. > > > > > I'm no

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

A question and some remarks Considering routers and not breaking routing. A few of you have made remark concerning breaking schemes and routers getting in to problems. I do not understand this. Ronnie Soak e.g. wrote “I would prefer an additional tag over a replacement for bicycle=no, as this w

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

Thanks all for your comments. I understand most of the comments made here. Most of them were discussed on the German forum(in English) and the Dutch forum (in Dutch). I should have directe

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

kind of problems routers/renderers whould have. Could you explain a little. Remember that most roads for which this new tag is introduced do not have a "bicycle= " tag yet. (with the exeption of NL) > > On 12 November 2013 18:16, Pee Wee wrote: > > Together with user Masimaster

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013/11/12 Dave F. > Pee Wee > > A couple of questions. > > How does this improve mapping/routing over using bicycle=no? > For an ordinary bike I do not think that routing will differ from the situation where we would tag all these type 2 way's with a "bicycle-no"

[Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

Together with user Masimaster I've made a proposal for a new tag to improve bicycle routing. I think (and hope) the wiki is clear enough but I’ll say a few words about this new tag. The tag is introduced to separate 2 kinds of roads where