[Tagging] Recognizing backward/forward parts of a road

2012-08-06 Thread Paweł Paprota
Hi all, We (as in Polish OSM community) have been remapping for a while now and also repairing our road network. As a starting point for this effort we wanted to create relations for major roads. It's all good but some "issues" have been coming to light during this work. One of them I posted last

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-31 Thread Paweł Paprota
These are all good arguments but I think we should give more credit to mappers. Sorry if I'm being boring but I will again come back to OSMonitor reports that Polish community is now using for fixing roads - since I started publishing the reports every day I am shocked by how quickly people fix stu

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-31 Thread Paweł Paprota
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 23:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > No. We only create relations when the ref tag is not sufficient. We > don't recommend that relations be created for roads otherwise, and > anyone doing anything with the data should not expect relations to be > there. > How would you d

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
As I wrote before in this thread in response to the hiking trail example - this is great, I myself love mapping forest tracks for mountain biking and stuff. But maybe I should have made it clearer in the first place that I'm talking about major roads - this stuff really should be in tip top shape

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
David, As I wrote - I am only producing reports for Poland and for my country there are very few complex situations and it really is straightforward to clearly see data duplication - having ref on ways has no value because everything is expressed in relations. > > If you have a tool that says "US

Re: [Tagging] tagging awards and ratings

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
Hi Johan, Here is another idea that Richard F. pointed me to on IRC: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-January/033557.html I strongly believe that some mix of what you are writing about, what Richard is writing about above, what Tag Central presentation contains and what many ot

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 19:44, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > > this logic is completely flawed. humans are not robots working on a list > of problems to solve. As you learned from your experiment there is a > inconsistency and now you can work to fix it. This is how osm works and > it is great t

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
s ;-). Paweł On Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 19:12, Peter Wendorff wrote: > Am 30.07.2012 18:58, schrieb Paweł Paprota: > > Hi Peter, > > > > I understand what you're saying about ease of use but at the same time I > > am very concerned about the quality of data - i

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
so that > someone can transfer the ref to a relation. > > Volker > > On 30 July 2012 18:58, Paweł Paprota wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > > > I understand what you're saying about ease of use but at the same time I > > am very concerned about the quality

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
, Peter Wendorff wrote: > Am 30.07.2012 18:22, schrieb Paweł Paprota: > > Hi all, > > > > As part of the Poland remapping effort I have implemented a reporting > > system called OSMonitor which analyzes road network in Poland in OSM > > data and produces reports.

[Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
Hi all, As part of the Poland remapping effort I have implemented a reporting system called OSMonitor which analyzes road network in Poland in OSM data and produces reports. Recently one user requested additional validation - checking if ways in a relation for a specific road contain proper "ref"

Re: [Tagging] Synonym handling

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
Hi all, This is a "manual" response (i.e. no references header) since I have just subscribed to the list. > Rather than long discussions about renaming or merging tags (e.g. > drinkable, potable), perhaps we should accept that there will be > things for which more than one tag name is in use, and