[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Follow-up proposal - Railway tracks on highway

2019-01-27 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Dear all! The proposal for Railway tracks on highway was approved with 21 votes for, 1 vote against and 1 abstention. Thank you again very much to everyone who voted, commented and/or participated in the discussion on the mailing list! Although the proposal was accepted, there were some issues

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Railway tracks on highway

2019-01-10 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Dear All! Since two weeks have passed from the latest modification to the RFC and no without further comments have arisen, as per the proposal process, I will now advance the proposal to the voting status! Please leave your vote and comments at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_fea

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway, Updated proposal

2018-12-29 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Dear all! I have now updated the "Railway tracks on highway" proposal page based on discussion and critical comments expressed here. The updated proposal states that the tag-value should always follow that of the railway-tag it shadows. For reasons expressed earlier here, I decided to omit the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway

2018-12-14 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hello all! And sorry for the delay in my comments, I've been very busy with other work the past week. Firstly, I was rethinking about the introduction a general "=yes"-value for this tag. It might be that some lazy mappers would prefer this kind of general tag, but on the other hand the "embed

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway

2018-12-10 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hello all! And thank you all for the good points. Indeed Markus' suggestion of a general embedded_rails=yes tag would be a very good idea and addition! I'll soon update the proposal to reflect this. The reason I added the =subway tag was that I realized that in Helsinki the subway network conn

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway

2018-12-09 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Dear all! Please find a new feature proposal for tagging embedded railways on highways at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Railway_tracks_on_highway which is an emended proposal from the earlier rejected Tramtrack on highway proposal. Please keep the comments on improving t

Re: [Tagging] Follow-Up Proposal - voting ended - (Tramtrack on highway)

2018-12-03 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Dear all! Sorry for the earlier outburst (especially to Paul) and sorry for my quite thoughtless follow-up proposal! I do realize the importance of following the proper protocol, especially in a project the size of OSM. I'll try to get the new proposal ready hopefully this week. >I look forwa

Re: [Tagging] Follow-Up Proposal - voting ended - (Tramtrack on highway)

2018-12-03 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hello Paul, and thank you for your input! You are indeed correct that my follow-up proposal would very radically cut corners and be, to say the least, unorthodox. I'm certainly sorry if it offended the sensibilities of anyone. I can see now that it could be construed as malicious and you are ce

[Tagging] Follow-Up Proposal - voting ended - (Tramtrack on highway)

2018-12-03 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Follow-Up Proposal on the Tramtrack on highway proposal (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tramtrack_on_highway) First of all, thank you to all who voted and/or commented on the proposal! The vote ended in 20 votes cast in total, with 12 approving and 8 opposing votes. This

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Tramtrack_on_highway)

2018-11-21 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hello again! >Yep, here's one: >https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-23.38348/150.51344 >https://www.google.com/maps/@-23.3849743,150.5134603,3a,75y,1.08h,91.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1symXKGQrpX9_K7nUyg9FbMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 >& that is the main North-South rail line! Wow! I had no idea that was

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Tramtrack_on_highway)

2018-11-21 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Sorry, I forgot to comment on this earlier >embedded_rails=yes or even more precise >embedded_rails=tram | embedded_rails=railway. >The latter is even worse for bicycles, because the rail grooves are >broader. It is true that that would be more precise, but are there in fact any examples of this

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Tramtrack_on_highway)

2018-11-21 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hello, and thank you all again for your comments! >>Le 20 novembre 2018 22:02:01 GMT+01:00, Rainer a écrit : >>Sorry that I enter the discussion late. >>First, is my understanding correct that you want to add a tag on a >>highway that has embedded tram rails? So e.g. a bicycle router might >>avoi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Tramtrack_on_highway)

2018-11-19 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hi Martin That's a good point about the lanes, which I hadn't thought about previously. In Helsinki, the tram lines either run only on one-laned highways or on a separate patch between multi-laned highways. But that only explain why I hadn't thought about it earlier. Would the semantics still

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Tramtrack_on_highway)

2018-11-19 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Dear all! Thank you for the discussion and excellent critical points. I changed the proposal according to the feedback, and since it has been quiet from then on, I advanced the proposal to Voting (I hope this is OK. Again it's my first proposal even though I am a long-time mapper). Please leav

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-09 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Dear all! Thank you for the insightful critical comments for the tag proposal. I have now changed the tag value from a bicycle=* acces key to a railway= -key. I have also changed and updated the Rationale, Tagging and Applies to -fields according to the comments received here and on the talk pa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-05 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hello again Thank you for the very good critical comments! It is obvious that my original proposal of a bicycle= -tag for this purpose is a bad idea, but it should be introduced as a more general tag. How should I proceed? Is is best to change the current proposal status to Canceled or Abandon

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway&In-Reply-To=

2018-11-04 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hi all! Thank you for all for good points and special thanks to Mateusz for the pictures and further proposals! Sorry for the delay in my replies. As Mateusz mentioned it might be better to use a more general tag for tramtracks on a highway than just an access-key for bicyclists. On the other

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-01 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hello everybody! https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tramtrack_on_highway Definition: Cycling allowed on highway=*, but a tramway track (railway=tram) runs on it, though the tramway is mapped as a separate way. Although I've been a mapper for over a decade, this is my first fe