Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] Super-relations or not

2010-11-02 Thread Matthias Julius
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 01:02:37 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Peter Budny wrote: >> As far as I'm concerned, the difference in what's required to tag things >> is minimal between these concerns.  Therefore, wouldn't it make the most >> sense to choose whichever

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread Matthias Julius
Ulf Lamping writes: > Am 12.04.2010 19:54, schrieb Anthony: > >> Well, I now see that there are a few. I still don't understand why, >> though, and I don't think we should keep doing something which makes no >> sense just because we've done it in the past. > > It's not (only) because we've done

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith writes: > On 13 April 2010 06:02, Matthias Julius wrote: >> maxheight + maxwidth and maybe a new trailer=no? > > I was hesitant to use the word 'trailer' since it means different > things in different variations of English, and it's not the only th

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith writes: > On 12 April 2010 02:33, Anthony wrote: >> Now, if we really want to start a flame war, maybe I should ask whether or >> not to include "bicycle=no" :). > > While your comment is tongue in cheek, most drive throughs have > height/width restrictions and usually don't allow tow

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread Matthias Julius
Eugene Alvin Villar writes: > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Pieren wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Anthony wrote: >> >>> >>> I have indeed tagged a couple of these, using "highway=service, >>> service=drive-through, access=private, oneway=yes". >>> >>> >> highway=service + onewa

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal "image=http:/... .jpg"

2010-02-08 Thread Matthias Julius
Steve Bennett writes: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Tobias Knerr wrote: >> Wikipedia is clearly different from OSM in that there is exactly one >> relevant way of viewing a Wikipedia entry: Visiting the page on >> wikipedia.org. Everything else is an afterthought, used by a small >> minority

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal "image=http:/... .jpg"

2010-02-05 Thread Matthias Julius
Ulf Lamping writes: > Am 05.02.2010 12:26, schrieb Tobias Knerr: > >> My opinion is that personal preferences like that shouldn't be part of >> the OSM database. No "my favourite Sunday walk" route relations, no >> subjective "food=extremely_tasty" for restaurants, and no "my favourite >> image o

Re: [Tagging] Offices/non-shop businesses

2010-01-27 Thread Matthias Julius
Emilie Laffray writes: > 2010/1/27 Liz > >> I've started "office=" tags >> and have put in something simple for what I have found >> >> office=accountant >> office=solicitor >> office=secretarial services >> office=insurance >> >> I do find that some period of experimental tagging helps me sort

Re: [Tagging] Dutch cafes

2010-01-20 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace writes: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Erik Johansson wrote: >> >> ... To meet both problems you can only do this: >> alcohol=yes >> coffee=no >> pastries=yes >> egg & chips=yes > > I like this approach. I don't. I don't want to revisit each place each week to see whether the m

Re: [Tagging] Dutch cafes

2010-01-20 Thread Matthias Julius
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > 2010/1/20 Peter Childs > >> In my book its easy. >> >> Cafe Usually Unlicensed. >> > > Definitely I would not put licenses and other legal stuff into the > definition. They differ almost certainly in different countries, are of no > importance to the client and

Re: [Tagging] What do we map

2010-01-20 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith writes: > 2010/1/21 Erik Johansson : >> >> I tried mapping open_hours of shops, but it's just too much work with >> my current work flow anyone with a good solution for it? > > crowd source it, photo the shop information and stick it somewhere > accessible for the arm chair mappers to

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-19 Thread Matthias Julius
Steve Bennett writes: > The wording is *completely* wrong for the *entire* english speaking world. > > Definition of power=generator: "power station" > Definition of power=station: "substation" > Definition of power=sub_station: "transformer" > > I don't think you can get much wronger than that.

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-18 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith writes: > 2010/1/19 Matthias Julius : >> Well, I guess he meant "physical" in the sense of a physical object - >> something you can touch, see and has a volume and mass. > > Ummm... electrons have mass... But electrons are not power. If you want to ha

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-18 Thread Matthias Julius
Anthony writes: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Dave F. wrote: > >> To me power is energy. It's not a physical entity. >> > > That's just silly. Energy is a physical entity. Well, I guess he meant "physical" in the sense of a physical object - something you can touch, see and has a volume a

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-07 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith writes: > 2010/1/7 Matthias Julius : >> John Smith writes: >> >>> Well relations aren't ways, the ways go through/under/ buildings. >> >> Do they?  Did I miss something?  Last I know is that they are rendered >> on top of buildings eve

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith writes: > Well relations aren't ways, the ways go through/under/ buildings. Do they? Did I miss something? Last I know is that they are rendered on top of buildings even if they are on a lower layer. Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tag

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith writes: > 2010/1/7 Matthias Julius : >> John Smith writes: >> >>> As for the shields this is deviating from the topic at hand but for it >>> the shield can be derived from the lookup table on the wiki and then >>> extra preprossesing in o

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread Matthias Julius
"Mike N." writes: >> As for the shields this is deviating from the topic at hand but for it >> the shield can be derived from the lookup table on the wiki and then >> extra preprossesing in osm2pgsql to assign a shield based on admin >> polygons + info from the lookup table > > What is the adva

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith writes: > As for the shields this is deviating from the topic at hand but for it > the shield can be derived from the lookup table on the wiki and then > extra preprossesing in osm2pgsql to assign a shield based on admin > polygons + info from the lookup table Does osm2pgsql have that

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-05 Thread Matthias Julius
Alex Mauer writes: > On 01/05/2010 01:32 PM, John Smith wrote: >> Currently there is discussion on using relations to group segments of >> a highway occurring: >> >> http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2599 > > In that ticket, you wrote: “we think administrative polygons should be > used for cu

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-30 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace writes: > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:01 AM, Matthias Julius wrote: >> >> If you know the actual incline you can tag it with its value.  If you >> have to estimate it anyway then a hard definition on what is steep is >> not worth that much anymor

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace writes: > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Matthias Julius wrote: >> >>> But that's my point - sure, you don't want to lose "semantics" i.e. >>> "meaning". But IMHO "steep" is *meaningless*. >> >> Why

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Matthias Julius
Steve Bennett writes: > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Matthias Julius wrote: > >> Of course, everyone can tag what he wants anyway. The question is what >> we want to encourage. >> > > This is like saying "Anyone can drive at whatever speed he wants

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Matthias Julius
Anthony writes: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Anthony wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Matthias Julius wrote: >> >>> Are there any other "official" node tags that depend on a parent way to >>> be fully defined? >>> >

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace writes: > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Matthias Julius > wrote: >> >> 'up/down' is in there to be able to tag an incline where the exact value >> is not known.  Adding '_steep' would allow to differentiate a little. >> Of c

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace writes: > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Matthias Julius > wrote: >> I would also add the values 'up_steep' and 'down_steep' >> to 'incline=*' for this to be a equivalent replacement of the highway >> tags. > > -1. T

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace writes: > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> >> but it still is strange to tag a node with a tag the meaning of >> which depends on a way, isn't it? > > Or more precisely, depends on a direction. This is exactly my point. It is unexpected (at least to

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-27 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace writes: > Also, incline=* is still mathematically valid for nodes to indicate > the instantaneous incline at that point, so I don't see a problem with > that. The problem with nodes is that you can't tell to which way the incline applies when there is more than one connecting to the

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-27 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace writes: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Matthias Julius wrote: >> >> The rendering of this is not only a matter of z-ordering since we >> probably don't want those roads to be simply covered up by the >> building.  Instead they should be rend

[Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-27 Thread Matthias Julius
The tags 'highway=incline' and 'highway=incline_steep' only apply to nodes. Therefore, they are prone to become ambiguous when more than one way use that node. Also, they don't have a reversed counterpart and when the way is reversed there is a problem. IMO, inclines should always apply to ways

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-27 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith writes: > 2009/12/27 Roy Wallace : >> therefore there must be some tag I have missed)? Are there really no >> ways already mapped (and rendered correctly) that pass through a >> building? Undercover service=parking_aisle's, for example? No? > > Probably not, at least not buildings, sin

Re: [Tagging] Post_Box and addr:* nodes

2009-12-21 Thread Matthias Julius
"Randy" writes: > Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote: >> >>Well i got a list from the postal service over all the postal boxes >>the list is like this >> >>Postal nr | City | where it is | Address >> >>and the column "where it is" is an ordinary description of where it >>is,possible values are attach

Re: [Tagging] Post_Box and addr:* nodes

2009-12-18 Thread Matthias Julius
:* nodes > >> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Matthias Julius >> wrote: >>> >>>> it is the address of the building that the box is attached/fixet onto or >>>> the >>>> building that is closest to it >>> >>> Then I would

Re: [Tagging] Post_Box and addr:* nodes

2009-12-18 Thread Matthias Julius
"Martin Fossdal Guttesen" writes: > ------ > From: "Matthias Julius" > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 3:09 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Post_Box and addr:* nodes > >> Roy Wallace writes: >> &

Re: [Tagging] Post_Box and addr:* nodes

2009-12-18 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace writes: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Martin Fossdal Guttesen > wrote: >> >> but i dont know if or how i should tag the addres where the box is, every >> post box has an address with an street name and an number > > If the "post box has an address", I'd suggest tagging the post

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-15 Thread Matthias Julius
Steve Bennett writes: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> (It is often easier to get something included in the Osmarender layer >> which has a tradition of showing more stuff and putting less emphasis on >> aesthetics. You can even edit Osmaredner stylesheets yourself and

Re: [Tagging] parking

2009-12-08 Thread Matthias Julius
Chris Hill writes: > Roy Wallace wrote: >> How should a parking lot be tagged, that is provided for customers, >> e.g. at a restaurant, or retail business? It may be signed as such >> (e.g. "Customers only"), or may not. > I would add access=permissive. You can a note=* tag to describe it in >

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-04 Thread Matthias Julius
Anthony writes: > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: >> As in, bicycle=carriage_prohibited. > > You can't have bicycle=carriage_prohibited along with bicycle=no. It > needs to be a different tag altogether, because it represents > something different. I guess it is implied t