Re: [Tagging] Adding leisure=sports_hall to leisure=sports_centre page

2019-09-08 Thread Hufkratzer
On 08.09.2019 11:41, Warin wrote: > On 07/09/19 19:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> sent from a phone >>> On 7. Sep 2019, at 09:28, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >>> >>> Per taginfo, building=yes is used 7500 times with leisure=pitch, and >>> covered=yes is used 1017 times, so I suppose it's more

Re: [Tagging] Adding leisure=sports_hall to leisure=sports_centre page

2019-09-06 Thread Hufkratzer
This is not how the tag is used. It is often used for sports halls of sports centers, some examples can be found in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/leisure%3Dsports_hall#Examples_in_the_OSM_database . The wiki page for sports_hall says "A sports hall can often be found on a

Re: [Tagging] Distinguishing landuse=animal_keeping from landuse=farmyard and landuse=meadow?

2019-08-23 Thread Hufkratzer
An old related discussion about "paddock": https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/30491/horse-corral-or-any-dirt-area On 23.08.2019 10:36, Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 03:29, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > > Also, it's not clear to me when one would use landuse=animal_keeping

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-14 Thread Hufkratzer
I would also prefer the transclusion (template) instead of just links. It may be possible to split it up in and a part with more general tags (e.g. name, ref, operator, distance, ...) that are also used with other kinds of routes (e.g. for route=running;bicycle;mtb;horse;piste;inline_skates),

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

2019-08-13 Thread Hufkratzer
On 13.08.2019 16:16, Paul Allen wrote: > [...] None of those are perfect, and maybe somebody can come up with something better. [...] My suggestion is that the bot only updates in one direction: values ​​of wiki pages always take precedence and override corresponding fields in the data elemen

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

2019-08-12 Thread Hufkratzer
On 13.08.2019 07:21, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 12 Aug 2019, 20:24 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: sent from a phone On 12. Aug 2019, at 18:02, Andy Townsend wrote: I don't think it's unavoidable - presumably you can just ignore the wikidata stuff and carry on

Re: [Tagging] Definition of Sport

2019-05-23 Thread Hufkratzer
On 23.05.2019 01:36, marc marc wrote: Le 23.05.19 à 01:26, Warin a écrit : A) A physical competition played according to rules. B) As for A) but includes practising for the sport c) as for B) but includes non competitive physical activity. Thoughts? i like C but without the "with rules" incl

Re: [Tagging] Misuse of name tag for route description

2019-05-10 Thread Hufkratzer
It would probably better to use description=* than from=* and to=* because not all routes have a named starting point or destination point, like e.g. a roundtrip route around some village. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lis

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Hufkratzer
On 03.05.2019 12:56, o...@hjart.dk wrote: Hufkratzer skrev den 02.05.2019 12:11: On 30.04.2019 21:05, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:19 PM s8evq wrote: Personally, I like signed_direction=yes. It's simple and avoids using the word oneway. Also, using the value fo

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-02 Thread Hufkratzer
On 02.05.2019 12:20, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 11:13, Hufkratzer <mailto:hufkrat...@gmail.com>> wrote: For a non-roundtrip route consiting of two consecutive ways the route direction can be deduced from the order of the ways in the relation. Note that (last tim

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-02 Thread Hufkratzer
On 30.04.2019 21:05, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:19 PM s8evq wrote: Personally, I like signed_direction=yes. It's simple and avoids using the word oneway. Also, using the value forward|backward might not be necessary, as it's possible to deduce this from the order of ways in

Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps compared to horse walker

2019-03-31 Thread Hufkratzer
Am 31.03.2019 04:30, schrieb Warin: On 27/03/19 20:23, Hufkratzer wrote: On 27.03.2019 07:37, Warin wrote: [...] I'd still call it a 'mounting block' ... no steps in the name so it can be a ramp or, in your case, a platform. Add wheelchair=yes and a description=* tag ??? +

Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps

2019-03-27 Thread Hufkratzer
On 27.03.2019 07:37, Warin wrote: [...] I'd still call it a 'mounting block' ... no steps in the name so it can be a ramp or, in your case, a platform. Add wheelchair=yes and a description=* tag ??? +1, in wikipedia it's also called 'mounting block', see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountin

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread Hufkratzer
I wonder why we need a separate type=superroute if everything what can be done with superroutes can also be done with normal routes. Example: http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/?l#route?id=371740 is a normal hiking route, more than 10k km long, with 7 child relations that have child relations ag

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-03-14 Thread Hufkratzer
It is indeed interesting to store that the signs work only for one direction, therefore oneway=yes/no is documented for hiking routes - in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking#Tags_of_the_relation since Jan. 2013 - in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route=hiking#Tags_of_the_rela

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-03-13 Thread Hufkratzer
On 12.03.2019 12:30, s8evq qrote: > [...] I see there is also the tag "direction=" with a lot more usage. On mini-roundabouts (as documented in the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:direction#Clockwise_and_anticlockwise), but sometimes even on route=foot, route=hiking and route=bicyc

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-23 Thread Hufkratzer
On 23.02.2019 18:47, Paul Allen wrote: [...] As I see it, ditches are unlined. [...] I googled for "ditch lining irrigation" and got these examples for lined ditches: - http://www.northwestlinings.com/services-available/installation-services/irrigation-ditch-liner-system/ - http://www.skidm

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-23 Thread Hufkratzer
On 23.02.2019 00:09, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > [...] > =drain: Use waterway=drain for artificial waterways, typically lined with concrete or similar, usually used to carry water for drainage or irrigation purposes. > [...] Irrigate with drains? This was the original question of the whole dit

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-11 Thread Hufkratzer
On 10.02.2019 14:57, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: [...} *Variant #2* Combine "ditch" and "drain" tags into one. [...} Personally I lean toward variant 2 [...} This would require to deprecate "drain" and remove it from the presets, otherwise we will continue to have 2 tags in the long run. As far

Re: [Tagging] status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale]

2019-02-07 Thread Hufkratzer
On 07.02.2019 15:56 Paul Allen wrote: Both low and high usage can be without a proposal. And if you're allowed "de facto" for high usage I'm allowed "ad hoc" for low usage no matter what the anti-Latin contingent say. :) Related proposal to have 2 different statuses: https://forum.openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

2019-02-05 Thread Hufkratzer
On 04.02.2019 13:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: [...] If the thing makes sense, sooner or later you will get the numbers to mark it "de-facto" even without any voting or tagging maliing list interactions. Which are the numbers for "de-facto" and for "in use"? I couldn't find any documentation

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

2019-02-04 Thread Hufkratzer
On 04.02.2019 10:27, Warin wrote: On 04/02/19 18:51, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 04.02.19 00:07, Christoph Hormann wrote: Just to avoid misunderstandings - it is in principle completely all right to invent tags and document them on tag/key pages without creating a proposal. * invent keys - o

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-02 Thread Hufkratzer
If we were discussing a proposal I would agree, but replacing waterway=drain by waterway=ditch + usage=drainage or sth. like that is not such an easy task. We already have 800k drains. I assume it requires a proposal with volting to deprecate drain, adaption of the presets, perhaps a mass edit

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-01 Thread Hufkratzer
On 01.02.2019 02:50 Warin wrote: It appears in the descriptions that a 'ditch' can be used as a 'drain'. So why have a tag 'drain'? Only if the water comes from wet land, not when it is industrial discharge (compare https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-January/042543.html )

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-11 Thread Hufkratzer
There is an abandoned proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Ditch titled "Drainage/Irrigation Ditch" and the German page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:waterway=ditch mentions "Bewässerungsgraben" which means irrigation ditch.

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-11 Thread Hufkratzer
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:waterway says: - drain is for rain or industrial water ("Abwassergraben") -> may be wastewater - ditch is just for rain water ("Entwässerungsgraben") -> no wastewater Am 11.1.2019 07:35, schrieb John Willis: On Jan 11, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Marc Gemis <

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle tagging

2019-01-05 Thread Hufkratzer
Oh, this was new to me; I thought the rule "Any tags you like" only applies to adding additional tags in the database and not to changing old tags or to rewrite the documentation. I will keep that in mind. On 5.1.2019 08:25, Warin wrote: On 05/01/19 12:57, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Yes, should

[Tagging] wiki page for building=pavilion

2018-12-28 Thread Hufkratzer
I douibt that the description of the tag building=pavilion on its wiki page as "A building providing facilities for users of sports grounds" is correct. The creator of this wiki page didn't respond to a question in this regard on the discussion page. Therefore and since I don't have experience

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

2018-09-03 Thread Hufkratzer
On 2.9.2018 22:06 Thilo Haug OSM wrote: {...] The current namespace article doesn't mention underscores : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace#Example_namespace_uses I think it doesn't have to, the underscore can just be a part of a key or a value like any letter [a-z] can. The ame

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

2018-09-02 Thread Hufkratzer
It looks like you didn't understand me. I am sorry that my English is so bad. I am trying to express my question in a different way: We have some differnet ways to tag a bicycle rental: a) amenity=bicycle_rental (30k uses), bicycle_rental=yes (< 20 uses) b) rental=bicycle (< 300 uses) (rental:bi

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

2018-09-01 Thread Hufkratzer
As far as horses are concerned, in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-August/038781.html I wrote: "If the horse rental is only a secondary activity it may be tagged horse_rental=yes (with underline, currently used once) instead of horse:rental=yes (with colon), analogously to

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

2018-09-01 Thread Hufkratzer
On 1.9.2018 02:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 at 09:03, Hufkratzer <mailto:hufkrat...@gmail.com>> wrote: I think a better alternative would be to use amenity=horse_rental, this is currently used 5 times, this would be analogous to amenity=car_rental

[Tagging] horse rental

2018-08-31 Thread Hufkratzer
3 months ago on the wiki page for tag leisure=horse_riding someone recommended to use the tags horse:rental=yes and horse:type=* to indicate that one can rent a horse there. At the time of this addition these tags were not used, meanwhile horse:rental=yes is used once and horse:type twice, I

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=sports_hall

2018-04-13 Thread Hufkratzer
This is a continuation of the discussion titled "How to tag sports halls?" two months ago that you can find here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-February/035064.html . Meanwhile the tag leisure=sports_hall was used a bit more and I have added some of the new examples i

Re: [Tagging] How to tag sports halls?

2018-03-12 Thread Hufkratzer
I thought in OSM we do not map temporary things like people playing something in sports halls (use of sports halls) but only verifiable things like the permanent equipment that allows them to do it. But anyway it is probably better to document the leisure=sports_hall tag. So I have begun to pre

Re: [Tagging] How to tag sports halls?

2018-02-08 Thread Hufkratzer
8.2.2018 09:20, Selfish Seahorse wrote: IMHO we should suggest both, building=sports_hall for any sports hall building and leisure=sports_hall if it is also used as a sports hall. This seems to be a good idea to me. We can suggest / allow both, but I if the building=* tag is mandatory for spo

Re: [Tagging] How to tag sports halls?

2018-02-07 Thread Hufkratzer
7.2.2018 19:04, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Back to the original questions, I have a severe problem with leisure=pitch for the sports hall, it might also have pitches inside, indoor=yes. For that, leisure=sports_centre is only slightly better, in particular if the hall is part of a campus that is the r

Re: [Tagging] How to tag sports halls?

2018-02-06 Thread Hufkratzer
Neither do I understand why building=yes is suggested in the wiki instead of building=*, allowing more specifix building types. But I think this is a minor problem More complicated / important to me seem the other questions about (1.) the mapping of indoor pitches and (2.) about the recent cha

[Tagging] How to tag sports halls?

2018-02-06 Thread Hufkratzer
Recently the example about how to tag a "sports hall for a school" was changed from building=yes + leisure=pitch + sports=multi to building=yes + leisure=sports_centre + sports=multi, see wiki pages for leisure=pitch and for leisure=sports_centre..There was a small discussion about this o