Re: [Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-10-28 Thread easbar . mail
Yes, maybe one problem is that it isn't clear if restriction:vehicle overrules restriction+except. I like your idea of not using the except tag but rather something like restriction:value=unrestricted. Actually that would be the first useful combination of restriction and restriction:vehicle th

Re: [Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-10-28 Thread easbar . mail
For example this: restriction=only_left_turn except=bicycle;moped;psv;motorcar; restriction:hgv:only_right_turn would be a contradiction. The first two tags tell us that everything except those listed by except (=hgv) should only turn left, the third tag tells us that hgv should only turn righ

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29 Oct 2022, at 00:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Is the water in your "drinking fountains" chilled, or is it just the natural > temperature of the water coming out? there are a few “machines” that distribute chilled and carbon dioxide enriched water for a few pen

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 18:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > you’ll have to wait a long time until the water becomes cold and can be > drunken. > That one is a comment that stood out to me? Is the water in your "drinking fountains" chilled, or is it just the natural temperature of the water comin

Re: [Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-10-28 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 28.10.22 22:06 easbar.m...@posteo.net wrote: Quite obviously this isn't ideal and as far as I can tell this is the exact reason we have the two approaches (one for excluding vehicles and another for including them). Historically, I'd say the reason we have two approaches is that the "excep

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Matija Nalis
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 10:18:01 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The push button fountain variant is horrible, you can hardly drink from it, > can not wash your hands, particularly the > hand that you use to push the button, and even filling a bottle is harder > than with the continuous flow.

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Matija Nalis
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:43:07 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28/10/22 06:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> there was a discussion about this, tap was seen as a distinguishing property >> that is yet missing. Handle is similar but not the same (handle is the thing >> you touch, if

Re: [Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-10-28 Thread Marc_marc
Le 28.10.22 à 22:06, easbar.m...@posteo.net a écrit : Is there any reason not to do this? it look like you said that you should use only one access tag on a object and I don't understand why I hope router understand restriction tags like access tag : the more specific overwrite the more genera

[Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-10-28 Thread easbar . mail
Currently there are two ways to limit the vehicle types a relation tagged as `type=restriction` (turn restriction) affects. The first one enables the restriction for *all* vehicle types, but then excludes some, like: restriction=no_left_turn except=bicycle The second one lists the vehicles fo

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
Thank you Martin! Do not worry, I have met you before and remember you as a very good person. I have no hard feelings about that. On 28/10/22 11:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 28 Oct 2022, at 10:46, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: I do not like the aggressiveness in thi

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread stevea
Oops, that went to the list! ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread stevea
Hi Martin: (Off-list) Thank you; a very public apology isn't always easy, but when warranted and sincere, it puts you into the light of "a very good person," at least in my eyes! Steve > On Oct 28, 2022, at 2:24 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 28 Oct 20

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28 Oct 2022, at 10:46, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > I do not like the aggressiveness in this comment of yours; I am sorry I wrote it like this, and agree it was not nice. Please accept my apologies. Cheers Martin __

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
On 28/10/22 10:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: How is such a statement helpful in a tagging discussion? It can be said about everything, I don’t tag it because I can go there to find out. If you are not interested in tagging details, don’t engage in the discussion about these things. What I s

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread stevea
On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 28 Oct 2022, at 09:58, Davidoskky via Tagging >> wrote: >> >> While I could be interested in whether the flow of a fountain might be >> stopped or not, I'm not really interested in how I'd have to do that: I can >> just go to the f

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28 Oct 2022, at 09:58, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > > While I could be interested in whether the flow of a fountain might be > stopped or not, I'm not really interested in how I'd have to do that: I can > just go to the fountain and observe what I find. I could

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28 Oct 2022, at 09:58, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > Actuator definitely provides more information and implicitly defines tap=yes. actuator was not proposed so far, handle was, and while it is documented, it doesn’t seem particularly helpful looking at the provide

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
On 28/10/22 07:43, Warin wrote: I think the actuator is more important than the 'tap'/'valve' and would give more information than 'tap=yes/no'. Actuator definitely provides more information and implicitly defines tap=yes. This said, I don't know whether it's more important. While I could