Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Nov 8, 2020, 05:31 by mach...@gmail.com: > I absolutely agree with Seth, OSM should switch to vector tiles ASAP. > Note that OSM would not switch to vector tiles. At most one more rendering would switch to vector tiles. For OSM Carto see https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/i

Re: [Tagging] Mapping terraced, irrigated farmland (e.g. rice paddies)?

2020-11-07 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
Hi Joseph, retaining wall [1] is applicable to whatever area Il dom 8 nov 2020, 06:50 Joseph Eisenberg ha scritto: > Is there a specific tag or method for mapping terraced farmland? > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dretaining_wall > _

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Tomas Straupis
2020-11-08, sk, 00:00 Anders Torger rašė: > Maybe this is self-evident to anyone that knows more about this than I > do, but I have to ask, are you saying that when we have to implement > generalization to be able to serve vector tiles, it's also natural to > include generalization of names? Meanin

[Tagging] Mapping terraced, irrigated farmland (e.g. rice paddies)?

2020-11-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Is there a specific tag or method for mapping terraced farmland? In areas with any amount of slope, terraces are built so that areas of cropland can be flood irrigated. This is very common in rice-growing regions, and also used for some other crops which grow best in flooded land. The presence of

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Martin Machyna
I absolutely agree with Seth, OSM should switch to vector tiles ASAP. And there should be several specialized layers: general car navigation map, sport map for hiking/cycling/skiing, transportation. All of that would be possible with vector tiles which are less computationally demanding to create.

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
I'm don't know that much cartography terms and techniques, I only know what I know from using maps. I have noted though that traditional maps simplify the geographic shapes depending on scale. Sometimes in interesting ways, instead of removing small islands they are sometimes drawn bigger inste

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread stevea
On Nov 7, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Anders Torger wrote: > Hello Steve, > thanks for that wonderful and inspiring post! I'll surely think about > doing-what-can-be-done-with-the-current-tools-at-hand, and think about that > the work can be built upon by others in the future. Most inspiring! You are wel

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Tomas Straupis
One more thing to consider: generalisation is one of the most important things for cartography, but it is also extremely important for vector tiles. 2-3 years ago we've played with government data and it produced huge (up to 4MB) vector tiles (pbf) for middle scales (zoom 8-12). Browsers (especiall

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
Hello Tomas, I just need to comment specifically on your https://topo.openmap.lt -- I'm very impressed! (I had to run it in Chrome, it didn't render properly in my Firefox, but this vector stuff is new tech and Linux Firefox seems to have some issues with that.) /Anders On 2020-11-07 07:5

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Yes, maps are definitely primary way how OSM data is used. I just wanted to note that it is not only way how it is used. Nov 7, 2020, 19:42 by and...@torger.se: > > Yes good point. Actually, I don't even know if cartography makes the top ten > list of how OSM data is used. Does it? > > > For m

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
Yes good point. Actually, I don't even know if cartography makes the top ten list of how OSM data is used. Does it? For me personally cartography is *the* thing, and I guess I am guilty for arguing from my own perspective. Sure I use basic road routing capabilities too that stem from the data,

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
Sorry for replying to myself again, but I realized the link I shared was not a true example, although the maps I linked to are built to look similar to vector data they are delivered as png tiles, and least on my computer (some services switch automatically between pixel/vector). This link (of

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
Thanks for those valuable points. I'm a layman, watching at OSM form the outside as a casual mapper and user. You're an expert on the inside. My perspective is thus limited, and also limited is the understanding of technical and infrastructure challenges. Regarding of comparing to government

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
Hello Steve, thanks for that wonderful and inspiring post! I'll surely think about doing-what-can-be-done-with-the-current-tools-at-hand, and think about that the work can be built upon by others in the future. Most inspiring! And I'll also clarify, I don't expect some Swiss cartographic artw

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
A move to prioritize cartography is probably not easy and there are lots of challenges. But I think it can be much better than it is today. I'm not too surprised that people in general would prefer google map with less information. The thing with cartography designed for paper is that it's ext

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 at 14:26, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I note that "visitation room" is a term that describes "A room designated > in the funeral home for the deceased to lie before the funeral so that > people can view the deceased." > I hadn't come across the term in the UK, but that could

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Nov 7, 2020, 16:41 by and...@torger.se: > And in the end it's about the resulting map. > Not only, OSM data is also used in other ways. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
Probably the database should be organized in layers. The more information there is, the messier it becomes to have everything visible at once. With JOSM you can sort of simulate layers with filters on tags (I use that feature all the time), so I'm not sure if it actually needs to be layers in t

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Seth Deegan
I actually just found that article about OSM’s problems. One of the major topics mentioned, the fact that OSM acts as a database and not a map, and that this acts as a hinderance to the expansion and development of the project, is very true. As a result, I’ve came to think that implementing Vecto

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
I wanted to quickly comment on two things where a misleading narrative seems to be represented in the discussion here so far. The first one is the idea that OSM community cartography is being held back by the lack of computing power. It is not. The resources that would be required to run vari

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-07 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I note that "visitation room" is a term that describes "A room designated in the funeral home for the deceased to lie before the funeral so that people can view the deceased." Conveniently, it carries no religious connotation. Some cursory searching indicates that this term is in use both in the

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Tomas Straupis
2020-11-07, št, 14:37 Jeremy Harris rašė: > Alternatively, could the rendering job be done by the client needing the > out-of-date tile, and resubmitted to the server? As Mateusz has pointed out, this has already existed, but one of the reasons it was discontinued (along with the lack of interes

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Nov 7, 2020, 13:33 by j...@wizmail.org: > On 07/11/2020 11:13, Walker Bradley wrote: > >> Computing power seems to be a constraint struggle without greater >> fundraising capacity, so could there be some work done on the rendering >> process? Could we do a specific and targeted fundraising ef

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Jeremy Harris
On 07/11/2020 11:13, Walker Bradley wrote: Computing power seems to be a constraint struggle without greater fundraising capacity, so could there be some work done on the rendering process? Could we do a specific and targeted fundraising effort to improve the renderer to make as much use of th

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread stevea
On Nov 6, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Anders Torger wrote: > I'd love to help out if the workload and chance of success was reasonable, > but I'm a bit wary about the tagging proposal process. Most of my mapping > contributions is simple things like correcting and adding roads so all the > various online

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Yves via Tagging
Le 7 novembre 2020 12:47:45 GMT+01:00, Tomas Straupis a écrit : > Fuzzy features (like >continents, mountain ranges, bays etc. should probably be moved to a >separate database). > I often thought an 'Openlabelmap' database containing geometries to help with the labeling of such features could

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 11/6/20 19:31, Anders Torger wrote: > ** Tagging bays and straits as areas work great, as the renderer gets > and idea how prominent it is and it can make proper text sizing and they > can be seen even if zoomed out if the area is large. Lots of our lakes, > even quite small ones have sub-n

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Tomas Straupis
2020-11-07, št, 13:24 Anders Torger rašė: > However, and this is a big however, I think that the face of > openstreetmap really need to be a cartographic sound map. During personal meetings as well as during different presentations in conferences I've been showing people two maps (one was google

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
Others can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the problem is not really limited computing power, but it's a design thing. Update speed has a really high priority, too high if you ask me. So regardless of computer power available, we want the fastest update speed possible. For the main servers

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
This is great information, I didn't know about your project, very very interesting. I have recently come to understand the OSM-Carto technical challenges recently. I haven't given it much of a thought as a casual mapper for the past two years, just been a bit disappointed with how it looks. I

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Walker Bradley
Dear all, First off I would like to state how fascinating this conversation is. I’ve been working with OSM data for years, and I never understood how the rendering actually worked. It seems like the challenges are two-fold. One is computing power and the other seems to be rendering algorithm

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
Sorry, I'm no expert so I should have been more humble and not state it as a "fact". I *think* multipolygon was supposed to be a way to make single entities of complex shapes, and these groups are not really single entities, but multiple entities with single names, and thus I find it "superior" to

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Anders Torger
Hello Graeme, the nature of these gravel yards vary a bit, but they can look like this: https://showmystreet.com/#12q73u_a3n0t_1v.a_-4f42 and they were made maybe 50 years ago. This one probably comes from the time the road was straightened in the 1970s or so. But there are also these thing