Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

Hi Tobias, Sorry to start this again, but yesterday evening was a little difficult. ;-) I reread the description and tagging of the example. If I understood you correct - please correct me if not - you are confused because about this: "A ROUND place with a traversable ISLAND". So "round" and "isl

Re: [Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: "tag names do not always correspond to their definitions"

Hi, I think you mean, you want to firmly state this as a principle. Good! I actually this problem is worst for English speakers, because we tend to find it hard to distinguish the name of the tag from its meaning. Whereas Germans have absolutely no problem with the fact that power=station is a su

Re: [Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: "tag names do not always correspond to their definitions"

Hi, Am 18.05.2012 07:30, schrieb Alan Mintz: The idea, taken in a vacuum without knowledge of personalities, seems correct. There are many more examples, like highway=* things that are not highways. I don't think we need a page for it, but it should be somewhere in beginners documentation that t

Re: [Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: "tag names do not always correspond to their definitions"

At 2012-05-17 16:30, Paul Johnson wrote: On May 17, 2012 3:22 PM, "Nathan Edgars II" wrote: > I'd like to propose a page that basically says that just because a tag is named X, that does not mean that something should be tagged as such only if it meets the real-world definitio

[Tagging] Wikification of Discussions, New Types of Wiki Pages, Learning to Look at Cities from OSM (Learning from the Roundabout discussion)

Hi, I am really quite new to OSM and I am looking forward to a wiki page that clarifies everything about roundabouts, large, small, and quasi-roundabout-ish. I would like to learn how they are NOT traffic islands and how to tag traffic islands with curbs, as a related course of action. I am eager

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

So, I know what a mini-roundabout is, and you know what a mini-roundabout is, and we are in agreement. You have also identified specific problems with the editing software that guides people to the wrong conclusion if they don't know what a mini-roundabout is. It's easy to edit the wiki. It's ea

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Toby Murray wrote: >> Otherwise we can pontificate all we want on the mailing list but >> people who are not familiar with the concept of a "real" >> mini-roundabout WILL still use this tag for "small roun

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Toby Murray wrote: > Otherwise we can pontificate all we want on the mailing list but > people who are not familiar with the concept of a "real" > mini-roundabout WILL still use this tag for "small roundabouts" with > non-traversable centers. That's just reality. M

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > That's exactly what I was thinking about. Any chance this will find > its way into JOSM any time soon? Potlatch2 and JOSM are completely separate codebases, written in different languages (Flex/ActionScript vs Java). So, it wouldn't be tri

Re: [Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: "tag names do not always correspond to their definitions"

On May 17, 2012 3:22 PM, "Nathan Edgars II" wrote: > > I'd like to propose a page that basically says that just because a tag is named X, that does not mean that something should be tagged as such only if it meets the real-world definition of X. This would only confuse things worse than they alre

Re: [Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: "tag names do not always correspond to their definitions"

Hi, sounds good! An example for Germany: highway=path, which doesn't only means a trail Henning Am 18.05.2012 00:21, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: I'd like to propose a page that basically says that just because a tag is named X, that does not mean that something should be tagged as such only if i

[Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: "tag names do not always correspond to their definitions"

I'd like to propose a page that basically says that just because a tag is named X, that does not mean that something should be tagged as such only if it meets the real-world definition of X. The following examples can be included: *Many cities are tagged with place=town *Bikes and pedestrians a

[Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

Well the last thread just went nuclear so I'm starting a new one. So I guess here is a summary of my opinion on what seems to be the major sticking points. junction=roundabout should not care about right-of-way. Trying to enforce this in the map is going to be impossible anyway because it is such

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

If anyone doubts that existing tagging does not match the wiki, see the following examples, all tagged as junction=roundabout by editors other than me: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677217 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9080282 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25529510

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 5/17/2012 5:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II >>  wrote: >>> >>> Whoever the hell "Gnonthgol" is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way >>> in >>> an edit war. >> >> >> Why do you keep

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

On 5/17/2012 5:48 PM, Gnonthgol wrote: Whoever the hell "Gnonthgol" is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. I am sorry I offended you but I was not out to win an edit war. You were blocked because you edited against the consensus on the list, and when I reverted your edits

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

On 5/17/2012 5:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Whoever the hell "Gnonthgol" is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. By the way, his block summary is complete bullshit. He says "The discussion on tagging@ mentions traffic circles and right of way several times and allways w

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

On 5/17/2012 5:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Whoever the hell "Gnonthgol" is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. Why do you keep starting the wars? Have you stopped beating your wife? __

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Whoever the hell "Gnonthgol" is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in > an edit war. Why do you keep starting the wars? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.op

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

Whoever the hell "Gnonthgol" is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

Yes I started to understand that this after I sent my mails.. 2012/5/17 Martin Vonwald (Imagic) : > Look at the second column for the suggested tagging. The wording "turning > circle" is misleading here and does NOT refer to turning_circle; it should > read turning place. But I will not do any m

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

Look at the second column for the suggested tagging. The wording "turning circle" is misleading here and does NOT refer to turning_circle; it should read turning place. But I will not do any more wiki-edits unless NE2 is banned so I can not fix this. Nonetheless thanks for pointing this out. A

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

On the page you referensed to. in the table with pictures it says "A round place with a traversable island in the middle, but this is neither a mini-roundabout nor a roundabout, but instead a turning circle, which allows large vehicles to turn around. " 2012/5/17 Martin Vonwald (Imagic) : > But th

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

But this is exactly the definition of turning_place: a widening of the road without any island. Am 17.05.2012 um 22:23 schrieb Tobias Johansson : > There is one thing. In Sweden we have something called "Vändplats" > http://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/Vag/Vagmarken/Forbudsmarken/Vandplats/ > ro

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

There is one thing. In Sweden we have something called "Vändplats" http://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/Vag/Vagmarken/Forbudsmarken/Vandplats/ roughly translated "turnaroundplace" usally in sweden we have used highway=turning_circle for this. According to this definition almost no "vändplats" would

Re: [Tagging] Dispute again: Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

On 5/17/2012 3:40 PM, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Can someone please stop NE2? I'm sick and tired of this person. I'm on it. Oh wait, that's me. Hi there. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/t

[Tagging] Dispute again: Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

Can someone please stop NE2? I'm sick and tired of this person. Beside contraproductive statements and continuous vandalism (yes, I call it this way) and can't see anything useful coming from his direction. If this isn't stop here and now I don't see any point in investing a single second in th

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

On 5/17/2012 3:04 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! I updated now the english article: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout Translations will follow in the next days. Traffic circles are usually tagged as roundabouts, contrary to your statement. _

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

Hi! I updated now the english article: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout Translations will follow in the next days. Many thanks to everyone who took part in the discussion and provided valuable feedback. Stay tuned - I'll come back to you for the next article soon ;-)

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

On 5/17/2012 7:44 AM, Malcolm Herring wrote: > On 17/05/2012 03:44, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> On 5/16/2012 10:42 PM, Dale Puch wrote: >>> You might check with the OpenSeaMap guys >> >> Surely at one of them is paying attention to tagging@? > > Nathan, > > Yes, we are paying attention! > > What is