Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread S.Higashi
Hi, How about a fire extinguisher[1]? Could it be included to fire_hydrant tag? Seems the same purpose to me. They are equipped by local government mainly along with residential roads/living streets for emergency use in Japan. [1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fire_extinguisher_ja.jpg S

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Dave F. wrote: > On 27/07/2010 00:28, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Dave F. wrote: >>> >>> On 26/07/2010 13:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dave F. wrote: > > Layer is used pure

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 27/07/2010 00:28, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Dave F. wrote: On 26/07/2010 13:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dave F. wrote: Layer is used purely as an aid to the renderer to distinguish where two or more ways *cross* each othe

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Dave F. wrote: > On 26/07/2010 13:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dave F. wrote: >>> >>> Layer is used purely as an aid to the renderer to distinguish where two >>> or >>> more ways *cross* each other: >> >> Not quite purely - i

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 26/07/2010 22:10, Richard Mann wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Cartinus wrote: Yes, but human mapping time is a far more scarce resource then computer working time. So let the computer fix it. Preprocess! Computer working time is rarely the limiting resource (otherwise we'd all hav

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 26 July 2010 23:10:49 Richard Mann wrote: > The advantage of creating a tagging scheme is that the complicated > situations get sorted out by humans (who are good at that sort of > thing) In this case the humans are very bad a it, because they can't read the mind of every graphic design

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Cartinus wrote: > Yes, but human mapping time is a far more scarce resource then computer > working time. So let the computer fix it. Preprocess! Computer working time is rarely the limiting resource (otherwise we'd all have been out of a job long ago). The advan

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 26 July 2010 17:19:53 Richard Mann wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave F. wrote: > > So your saying to save the renders time, the data collectors have to > > waste time adding new tags? > > There was me thinking this was a project where we each did a bit for > mutual benefit.

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave F. wrote: >  On 26/07/2010 14:07, Richard Mann wrote: >>  If you draw the >> grey in the correct layer, then you get little semi-circular arcs of >> grey at the end of bridges (if they are layer=1). > > I've never noticed this in Mapnik,or an other. Do you hav

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 26/07/2010 16:19, Richard Mann wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave F. wrote: So your saying to save the renders time, the data collectors have to waste time adding new tags? There was me thinking this was a project where we each did a bit for mutual benefit. Richard I would lik

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave F. wrote: > So your saying to save the renders time, the data collectors have to waste > time adding new tags? There was me thinking this was a project where we each did a bit for mutual benefit. Richard ___ Taggi

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 26/07/2010 14:07, Richard Mann wrote: Dave F (et al), Renderers draw roads (typically) by drawing a wide grey line on each segment, a grey circle at each node, then a narrower (say) white line on each segment, and a white circle at each node. All you see of the grey is a thin line on each si

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Colin Smale wrote: >  Shouldn't the layer_change be on the common point, not a way? A way > (usually) has two ends, so putting the tag on a way will not indicate at > which end of the way the layer change takes place. But then it degenerates > to two (or more) conn

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Colin Smale
Shouldn't the layer_change be on the common point, not a way? A way (usually) has two ends, so putting the tag on a way will not indicate at which end of the way the layer change takes place. But then it degenerates to two (or more) connected ways with a different layer=* value, so the layer c

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
Dave F (et al), Renderers draw roads (typically) by drawing a wide grey line on each segment, a grey circle at each node, then a narrower (say) white line on each segment, and a white circle at each node. All you see of the grey is a thin line on each side of the white line: this is the casing. Th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:25 AM, David Groom wrote: > Why *should* newly entered hydrants use "this new precise scheme".  Voting > hasn't even started on the proposal, it might not get "approved", the FRC > start date is today, so it might get changed. I interpret that statement as part of the pr

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 26/07/2010 13:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dave F. wrote: Layer is used purely as an aid to the renderer to distinguish where two or more ways *cross* each other: Not quite purely - it gives nonredundant spatial information when a bridge goes over another. N

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dave F. wrote: > Layer is used purely as an aid to the renderer to distinguish where two or > more ways *cross* each other: Not quite purely - it gives nonredundant spatial information when a bridge goes over another. Not that this has anything to do with the laye

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 26/07/2010 10:58, Richard Mann wrote: One of the things Dave Earl mentioned in his talk about rendering was the gaps-in-casings you sometimes get at bridges. What I've ended up doing is 1) rendering casings in layer (not underneath everything like Mapnik) 2) putting in a flag to identify way

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old "amenity=fire_hydrant" tag and there is a very active discussion

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Pieren wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Richard Mann > wrote: >> >> Good idea, or just a local fix? >> >> Richard >> > > Personally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a > specific polygon for the bridge and link it to the roads, cy

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread fly
Am 26.07.2010 12:45, schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: > Draw bridge as physical instance and bind ways to it in relation. > > Anyone up to make a proposal feature? Have a look at: wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Bridges_and_Tunnels cu colliar ___

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/26/10 7:18 AM, Dave F. wrote: On 26/07/2010 11:17, Liz wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Richard Mann wrote: Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just shop=vi

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 21:20, Pieren wrote: > For such zoom levels, the renderer might decide to render like the > traditional bridge=yes. This would be a rendering decision. My concern is That seems to be overly complicated just to extend the length of the bridge where it doesn't extend far enough in t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/26/10 4:20 AM, John Smith wrote: On 26 July 2010 18:16, wrote: Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old "amenity=fire_hydrant" tag and there is a very active discussion on the German board: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:48 PM, John Smith wrote: > > The problem is as you zoom out so you can see the ways properly the > widths vary, so once you zoom out a few levels you won't even see any > bridge any more, which may be useful for navigating etc.. > > > For such zoom levels, the renderer m

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
Most of these call themselves vineyards http://www.englishwineproducers.com/scvineyard.htm On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Liz wrote: > can you provide a definition of this use of the word? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://l

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Craig Wallace
On 26/07/2010 11:30, Richard Mann wrote: winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery and shop=vineyard, I'd use the more generic term

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Dave F.
On 26/07/2010 11:17, Liz wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Richard Mann wrote: Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just shop=vineyard. It's not attached to the vin

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Liz
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Richard Mann wrote: > winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole > operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale > as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery > and shop=vineyard, I'd use the more generic

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/07/2010 11:37, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Richard Mann mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com>> wrote: Good idea, or just a local fix? Richard Personnally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a specific polygon for the bridge and l

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 20:45, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: >> Personnally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a >> specific polygon for the bridge and link it to the roads, cycleways, >> railways, etc by a relation. I don't know for renderers but it would make >> contributors live much e

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/7/26 Pieren : > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Richard Mann > wrote: >> >> Good idea, or just a local fix? >> >> Richard >> > > Personnally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a > specific polygon for the bridge and link it to the roads, cycleways, > railways, etc by a

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/07/2010 10:58, Richard Mann wrote: One of the things Dave Earl mentioned in his talk about rendering was the gaps-in-casings you sometimes get at bridges. What I've ended up doing is 1) rendering casings in layer (not underneath everything like Mapnik) That's what I did also in my render

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Richard Mann < richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Good idea, or just a local fix? > > Richard > > Personnally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a specific polygon for the bridge and link it to the roads, cycleways, railways, et

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 20:30, Richard Mann wrote: > winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole > operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale > as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery > and shop=vineyard, I'd use the more gene

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery and shop=vineyard, I'd use the more generic term in the tagging system. Richard __

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 20:02, Richard Mann wrote: > Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily > marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more > international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just shop=vineyard. You some times can get standalone cellar doors that isn

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Liz
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Richard Mann wrote: > Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily > marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more > international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just shop=vineyard. It's not attached to the vineyard, it's attached to the *wi

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just shop=vineyard. Richard On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:15 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 26 July 2010 10:44, John F. Eldredge w

[Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
One of the things Dave Earl mentioned in his talk about rendering was the gaps-in-casings you sometimes get at bridges. What I've ended up doing is 1) rendering casings in layer (not underneath everything like Mapnik) 2) putting in a flag to identify ways that join ways of different layer, with a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 18:16, wrote: > Hi, > Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than > the old "amenity=fire_hydrant" tag and there is a very active discussion on > the German board: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=762 . > Common hydrants can be ta

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread technikschlumpf
Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old "amenity=fire_hydrant" tag and there is a very active discussion on the German board: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=762 . Common hydrants can be tagged in the old way, but new ones should b