Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 June 2010 07:11, John Smith wrote: > On 30 June 2010 07:04, Liz wrote: >> And what do you think of Paivthran's ongoing concern with the rendering of >> the >> wrong ball in osmarender? > > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3095 > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22109 _

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread John F. Eldredge
"North American continent" includes Canada as well as the USA, and, depending upon what definition you use, as far south as the Panama Canal. Even in the USA, some fields tagged as "football" are likely to be for sports other than "American football", given our cultural diversity. -- John F.

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread pavithran
On 30 June 2010 02:41, John Smith wrote: > On 30 June 2010 07:04, Liz wrote: >> And what do you think of Paivthran's ongoing concern with the rendering of >> the >> wrong ball in osmarender? > > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3095 Well that hopefully would solve the rendering issue . But

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Jason Cunningham
On 29 June 2010 22:04, Liz wrote: > I was born in working class England, and never heard it "association > football". I knew football, and I did know that it really was called > soccer. I > didn't actually meet rugby as a sport until coming to Australia. > Association Football may be the official

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 June 2010 07:04, Liz wrote: > And what do you think of Paivthran's ongoing concern with the rendering of the > wrong ball in osmarender? http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3095 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.ope

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Liz
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Jason Cunningham wrote: > And I'm about to edit it back to sport=association_football. > > The use of soccer should never have crept in to OSM. There are no rules on what creeps into OSM > I've made it clear > that I think the use of soccer will be very controversial in t

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 June 2010 01:51, Richard Mann wrote: > In Great Britain it's soccer 950, football 600, association_football nil I was curious about world wide stats... (from XAPI) soccer=39,661 (40M of data) football=3,848 (5M of data) association_football=3 Although Jason changed 2 of those today, the 3

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 June 2010 02:40, Pieren wrote: > clear. That would make everyone happy excepted perhaps north americans. 6.5 > mn is less time than I spent to follow this thread. So far there is no overwhelming reason this needs to change. Why not spend the time making language based presets more useful? W

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:18 PM, pavithran wrote: As usual, I don't expect any change like other controversial tags. It is admitted here that "soccer" is unkown in many countries and many contributors just stops on the first preset or tag visible with "football" as they know what it means for the

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread pavithran
On 29 June 2010 21:25, Craig Wallace wrote: > And the word "soccer" won't actually displayed anywhere anyway, except in > particular renderings. > So I don't see how thousands of football >supporters are actually going to > see the sport=soccer tag at all, unless they are >editing the map. Yes on

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:59 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 30 June 2010 01:51, Richard Mann > wrote: >> In Great Britain it's soccer 950, football 600, association_football nil >> >> By all means add association_football as an additional option (as a >> synonym for soccer for those that prefer it),

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Jason Cunningham
Well its clear I've democratically been beaten down on this topic! The best way to resolve this is to see what happens in the future. Jason On 29 June 2010 16:59, John Smith wrote: > On 30 June 2010 01:51, Richard Mann > wrote: > > In Great Britain it's soccer 950, football 600, association_f

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 June 2010 01:51, Richard Mann wrote: > In Great Britain it's soccer 950, football 600, association_football nil > > By all means add association_football as an additional option (as a > synonym for soccer for those that prefer it), but there's no need to > try to deprecate soccer. I have to

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/6/29 Richard Mann : > In Great Britain it's soccer 950, football 600, association_football nil > > By all means add association_football as an additional option (as a > synonym for soccer for those that prefer it), but there's no need to > try to deprecate soccer. There is. Or would you rathe

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Craig Wallace
On 29/06/2010 16:40, Jason Cunningham wrote: And I'm about to edit it back to sport=association_football. The use of soccer should never have crept in to OSM. I've made it clear that I think the use of soccer will be very controversial in the UK. I could never participate in a project that l

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Richard Mann
In Great Britain it's soccer 950, football 600, association_football nil By all means add association_football as an additional option (as a synonym for soccer for those that prefer it), but there's no need to try to deprecate soccer. Richard On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Jason Cunningham wr

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 June 2010 01:40, Jason Cunningham wrote: > And I'm about to edit it back to sport=association_football. And reverted again... sport=soccer is the most used/most common use, you are trying to start a war with everyone already tagging this way... > The use of soccer should never have cre

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Jason Cunningham
And I'm about to edit it back to sport=association_football. The use of soccer should never have crept in to OSM. I've made it clear that I think the use of soccer will be very controversial in the UK. I could never participate in a project that labelled my teams football ground as sport=socce

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
Can people please stop changing sport=soccer to sport=association_football on the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Football page, I'm just going to keep reverting the changes because as it now stands sport=soccer is the most used and most accepted tagging for this sport. It's not acceptable to c

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Richard Mann
The proper thing would be to render an egg for american_football, and nothing for sport=football. If you render for yourself, set sport=football to whatever you like. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM, pavithran wrote: > On 28 June 2010 15:24, John Smith wrote: >> And then add a page for sport=f

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 June 2010 21:31, pavithran wrote: > Still there is a problem in many non native english countries > understanding the term soccer where mostly the temptation would be to > tag it with something simply and widely understood as 'football' . So It's been said before, most non-english speaking

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread pavithran
On 28 June 2010 15:24, John Smith wrote: > And then add a page for sport=football and just football pointing to > all the different sports named football by various people in the > world. Yes . So the wiki page suggests these tags . sport=soccer (see on wikipedia, aka Association Football) sport=