Re: [Tagging] Scales / weigh stations

2010-05-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 15:54, Alan Mintz wrote: > Periodically along US highways, there are giant scales for trucks to get a > weight certificate to comply with various laws. How should these be tagged? > How about: > > highway=motorway_link for the ramps linking to the motorway > highway=scale for the sca

[Tagging] Scales / weigh stations

2010-05-06 Thread Alan Mintz
Periodically along US highways, there are giant scales for trucks to get a weight certificate to comply with various laws. How should these be tagged? How about: highway=motorway_link for the ramps linking to the motorway highway=scale for the scale node/area -- Alan Mintz __

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 10:30, Roy Wallace wrote: > I've never heard anyone in Australia refer to Kmart or Target as a > "discount" store. I have heard this word used for, say, "Crazy Clarks" > or "Dollars and Sense". But I would have trouble objectively defining > what it is, exactly, that makes "Crazy Cla

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/6/10 8:30 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: > > I disagree that there's "broad agreement" here on what stores are > "discount" stores. > > I've never heard anyone in Australia refer to Kmart or Target as a > "discount" store. I have heard this word used for, say, "Crazy Clarks" > or "Dollars and Sense".

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 7:13 AM, John Smith wrote: > >> well, yes, but within the US at least, i think there's broad agreement >> that one tier of department >> store (walmart, kmart, target) is "discount" with respect to another >> (macys, pennys, nordstrom, etc.) > > The same thing is true of Aus

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Liz
On Fri, 7 May 2010, John Smith wrote: > On 7 May 2010 07:03, Richard Welty wrote: > > well, yes, but within the US at least, i think there's broad agreement > > that one tier of department > > store (walmart, kmart, target) is "discount" with respect to another > > (macys, pennys, nordstrom, > > e

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 07:03, Richard Welty wrote: > well, yes, but within the US at least, i think there's broad agreement > that one tier of department > store (walmart, kmart, target) is "discount" with respect to another > (macys, pennys, nordstrom, > etc.) The same thing is true of Australia... Altho

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/6/10 4:52 PM, Liz wrote: > On Thu, 6 May 2010, Richard Welty wrote: > >> On 5/6/10 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >>> This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate >>> discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department >>> stores and maybe others

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > That is what I like about it - when all I can find out about an area is that > is green and lies in between buildings, "yard" is an appropriately vague word. You say you only know two things: 1) "it is green" --> color=green (IMHO, this

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Richard Welty wrote: > On 5/6/10 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate > > discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department > > stores and maybe others. > > usable with any shop= where appropriate?

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 06:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > and maybe also subtags for the use: > a) flower garden > b) fruit and vegetable / kitchen garden > (what tag could suit this? type?) garden=horticulture ? horticulture=flowers|vegetables|fruit Although then you get into all kinds of fun debates o

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/6 "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" : > To the proposed solutions in this thread: > * highway=pedestrian, area=yes - It doesn't really make sense to me to > tag private fenced and _green_ areas by highway tag. sure, for green areas it isn't, for paved ones it IMO is. > * surface=grass, surface=la

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
I would be glad if we could resolve the question of how to tag private backyards/gardens or whatever you want to call that in one word - I mean the green area around family houses, often only grass, sometimes few trees or other plants (varying from roses to a bed of carrot), usually fenced and defi

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread Jonas Minnberg
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: > > I think "yard" is a rather vague word, as it could also be a farmyard, > industrial yard, courtyard, shipyard etc. > That is what I like about it - when all I can find out about an area is that is green and lies in between buildings, "yard

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/6 Cartinus : > On Thursday 06 May 2010 15:06:36 Jonas Minnberg wrote: >> > for the latter >> > highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags, >> > e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private. >> >> This would really confuse I think. > > This is not confusing, it

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 00:31, Cartinus wrote: > On Thursday 06 May 2010 15:06:36 Jonas Minnberg wrote: >> > for the latter >> > highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags, >> > e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private. >> >> This would really confuse I think. > > This is

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2010 22:49, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are > either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar). > landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if they > may look park-like on the satellite). Pleas

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread John F. Eldredge
However, grassy areas around businesses, schools, public buildings, and the like may or may not be open to use by members of the general public. Some locations also have private parks (reserved for use by the organizations that own, or have leased, the space. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeld

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread Cartinus
On Thursday 06 May 2010 15:06:36 Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > for the latter > > highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags, > > e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private. > > This would really confuse I think. This is not confusing, it is simply wrong. Nobody in hi

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread Chris Hill
Jonas Minnberg wrote: > [snip] > > landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if > they may look park-like on the satellite). In the UK we would sometimes call a backyard a garden. leisure=garden already exists. Cheers, Chris ___

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread Craig Wallace
On 06/05/2010 13:49, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > Ok so I keep running into these; green areas visible on satellite > imagery that are tagged as parks but aren't really. > > My first instinct was to remove them, but that was mostly met > with skepticism and alternative tag suggestions. So I am thinki

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Jonas Minnberg napsal(a): > > Ok so I keep running into these; green areas visible on satellite > imagery that are tagged as parks but aren't really. > > My first instinct was to remove them, but that was mostly met > with skepticism and alternative tag suggestions. So I am thinking of > inventi

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/6 Jonas Minnberg : > Also, you can't always tell if you actually can walk there, it may be one of > those in-between-building areas that are completely inaccessible. access=no although "completely inaccessible" is always relative: do you have to climb a fence? Dig a tunnel? Use a boat? Use

Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up

2010-05-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/6 Tyler Gunn : > > On Thu, 6 May 2010 12:37:10 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer >> +1, nice. >> cheers, >> Martin > > It definitely shows how incredibly pedestrian-unfriendly these big > suburban box store "malls" are.  There are buildings in a sea of parking > lots.  Lol. sure. Mapping landuse

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Katie Filbert
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I see. The type of discout stores we have here (there should be some > wallmart as well, but I personally never encountered one) usually are > mainly for food and have just occasionally some non-food articles > (maybe 2-5% of their flo

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread John F. Eldredge
I am saying that, since the standard meaning of "supermarket" is "grocery store", at least in the USA, tagging such stores as department stores would more accurately reflect the merchandise available than tagging them as supermarkets. --Original Message-- From: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer To: J

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/6/10 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate > discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department > stores and maybe others. > usable with any shop= where appropriate? i can see that. richard ___

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/6 Richard Welty : > most of these stores devote no more than 5 or 10% of their floorspace to > food, and are otherwise inexpensive department stores, and i'm certainly > having trouble seeing how 10% of their stock overrides the other 90% when > it comes to tagging. I see. The type of disc

Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up

2010-05-06 Thread Tyler Gunn
On Thu, 6 May 2010 12:37:10 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > +1, nice. > cheers, > Martin It definitely shows how incredibly pedestrian-unfriendly these big suburban box store "malls" are. There are buildings in a sea of parking lots. Lol. Tyler ___ Tag

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread Jonas Minnberg
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:53 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/6 Jonas Minnberg : > > landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are > > either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar). > > landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if >

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/6/10 8:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/6 John F. Eldredge: > >> From my experience (in the USA), most WalMarts and KMarts only allocate a >> small percentage of their floor space to groceries. The so-called "super >> WalMarts" have a full range of groceries; even so, the gro

Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/6 Jonas Minnberg : > landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are > either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar). > landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if they > may look park-like on the satellite). For the first there is

[Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)

2010-05-06 Thread Jonas Minnberg
Ok so I keep running into these; green areas visible on satellite imagery that are tagged as parks but aren't really. My first instinct was to remove them, but that was mostly met with skepticism and alternative tag suggestions. So I am thinking of inventing a couple of new tags for this: landus

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/6 John F. Eldredge : > From my experience (in the USA), most WalMarts and KMarts only allocate a > small percentage of their floor space to groceries.  The so-called "super > WalMarts" have a full range of groceries; even so, the grocery section takes > up only 20 percent or so of the sto

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread John F. Eldredge
>From my experience (in the USA), most WalMarts and KMarts only allocate a >small percentage of their floor space to groceries. The so-called "super >WalMarts" have a full range of groceries; even so, the grocery section takes >up only 20 percent or so of the store. --Original Message-

Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up

2010-05-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/6 Tyler Gunn : > Here's the same area in OSM; I've added a lot of detail to this shopping > district including parking lots, buildings, and started to put in POIs.  I > think this is a HUGE improvement over what Google Maps shows: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.82372&lon=-97.20104&zo

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/6 John Smith : > On 6 May 2010 19:27, Richard Mann > wrote: >> In the UK, they'd almost certainly be tagged as supermarkets, since >> our stores tend to have one product area dominant (eg groceries). >> Department stores are large shops with lots of different departments >> selling lots of

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2010 19:27, Richard Mann wrote: > In the UK, they'd almost certainly be tagged as supermarkets, since > our stores tend to have one product area dominant (eg groceries). > Department stores are large shops with lots of different departments > selling lots of different things from lots of

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Mann
In the UK, they'd almost certainly be tagged as supermarkets, since our stores tend to have one product area dominant (eg groceries). Department stores are large shops with lots of different departments selling lots of different things from lots of different counters, but the staff (and the tills)

Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Tyler Gunn wrote: > I think this is a HUGE improvement over what Google Maps shows: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.82372&lon=-97.20104&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF > > Tyler > Yup, the parking lots give you a real feel for the place. Richard __