On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Lennart Poettering
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18.02.16 20:33, Mike Gilbert (flop...@gentoo.org) wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Lennart Poettering
>>> wrote:
>>> > 1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> On Thu, 18.02.16 20:33, Mike Gilbert (flop...@gentoo.org) wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Lennart Poettering
>> wrote:
>> > 1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/initctl SysV compat support). Last
>> >time Debian was still
On Thu, 18.02.16 20:33, Mike Gilbert (flop...@gentoo.org) wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Lennart Poettering
> wrote:
> > 1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/initctl SysV compat support). Last
> >time Debian was still using that, maybe this changed now?
>
> Gentoo allows switching b
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> 1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/initctl SysV compat support). Last
>time Debian was still using that, maybe this changed now?
Gentoo allows switching between systemd and openrc (sysvinit) at boot
time, and will continue to do so
Hi :-)
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 06:06:45PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Heya!
...
> 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
>without /var. We have kludges at quite a few places because we
>cannot access /var early during boot. I am tempted to stop
>supporti
Am 13.02.2016 um 14:17 schrieb Christian Seiler:
On 02/13/2016 01:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
[root@mail-gw:~]$ cat /etc/fstab | grep log
UUID=a8fc620d-8046-47a3-8b63-102c525ce5e8 /var/log ext4 defaults, noexec 0 1
To be fair to Lennart: your specific use case, if /var/log is just a
sepa
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
>without /var. We have kludges at quite a few places because we
>cannot access /var early during boot. I am tempted to stop
>supporting this altogether. Of cour
On 02/13/2016 01:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> [root@mail-gw:~]$ cat /etc/fstab | grep log
> UUID=a8fc620d-8046-47a3-8b63-102c525ce5e8 /var/log ext4 defaults, noexec
> 0 1
To be fair to Lennart: your specific use case, if /var/log is just a
separate partition, will work perfectly fine even wi
On 02/13/2016 01:01 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Sat, 13.02.16 00:10, Christian Seiler (christ...@iwakd.de) wrote:
>
>> On 02/12/2016 10:34 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12.02.16 17:49, Simon McVittie (simon.mcvit...@collabora.co.uk)
>>> wrote:
>>>
On 11/02/16 17:06, Lennar
Am 13.02.2016 um 13:01 schrieb Lennart Poettering:
My maingoal here is really about having read-access to things, and
being able to schedule stuff based on configuration and existance of
things, even if that stuff cannot be written to yet. If /var is
mounted this late it makes things a lot more
On Sat, 13.02.16 00:10, Christian Seiler (christ...@iwakd.de) wrote:
> On 02/12/2016 10:34 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Fri, 12.02.16 17:49, Simon McVittie (simon.mcvit...@collabora.co.uk)
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/02/16 17:06, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >>> 5) Here's the controversial
On Fri, 12.02.16 23:37, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
> > > > As long as it's only one package I am happy to break this I must say...
> > > I check this now, and samba compiles fine with systemd-compat-libs.rpm
> > > removed. So no problem here.
> > >
> > > Our compat sup
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:16:14PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Thu, 11.02.16 19:44, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 06:45:52PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Thu, 11.02.16 17:34, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.p
On 02/12/2016 10:34 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Fri, 12.02.16 17:49, Simon McVittie (simon.mcvit...@collabora.co.uk) wrote:
>
>> On 11/02/16 17:06, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>>> 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
>>>without /var. We have kludges at quite a f
On Fri, 12.02.16 17:49, Simon McVittie (simon.mcvit...@collabora.co.uk) wrote:
> On 11/02/16 17:06, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
> >without /var. We have kludges at quite a few places because we
> >cannot access /var early du
On Thu, 11.02.16 23:32, Michael Biebl (mbi...@gmail.com) wrote:
> 2016-02-11 18:06 GMT+01:00 Lennart Poettering :
> > Heya!
> >
> > So I am thinking about some spring cleaning, and would love to remove
> > the following bits from the systemd package:
> >
> > 1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/initc
On Thu, 11.02.16 21:59, Martin Pitt (martin.p...@ubuntu.com) wrote:
> Hello,
>
> answering for Debian/Ubuntu.
>
> Lennart Poettering [2016-02-11 18:06 +0100]:
> > 1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/initctl SysV compat support). Last
> >time Debian was still using that, maybe this changed now?
On Thu, 11.02.16 21:39, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
>
>
> Am 11.02.2016 um 20:37 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> >Arguably you should chop away the environment files support in the
> >process since you are already wielding the axe...
>
> no - damned there are a ton of reasons
On Thu, 11.02.16 19:44, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 06:45:52PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Thu, 11.02.16 17:34, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 06:06:45PM +0100, Lennart
On Thu, 11.02.16 19:18, Matthias Urlichs (matth...@urlichs.de) wrote:
> On 11.02.2016 18:49, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > Again: this does not break systems with split off /var, as I tried to
> > make very clear in my original mail. All that's needed is that the
> > initrd mounts /var before hand
On Fri, 12.02.16 10:04, Colin Guthrie (gm...@colin.guthr.ie) wrote:
> Lennart Poettering wrote on 11/02/16 17:49:
> > On Thu, 11.02.16 18:29, Matthias Urlichs (matth...@urlichs.de) wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Lennart Poettering:
> >>> 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting
On 11/02/16 17:06, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
>without /var. We have kludges at quite a few places because we
>cannot access /var early during boot.
I don't think /var is really the same thing as /usr: for a start, it has
to
Lennart Poettering wrote on 11/02/16 17:49:
> On Thu, 11.02.16 18:29, Matthias Urlichs (matth...@urlichs.de) wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Lennart Poettering:
>>> 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
>>>without /var.
>>
>> Meh. I have quite a few multi-boot systems with a co
On 02/11/2016 09:44 PM, Andrew Bartlett wrote:
On Thu, 2016-02-11 at 20:04 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 02/11/2016 05:34 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
2) compat support for libsystemd-login.so and friends (these
were
merged into a single libsystemd.so a long time ago).
2016-02-11 18:06 GMT+01:00 Lennart Poettering :
> Heya!
>
> So I am thinking about some spring cleaning, and would love to remove
> the following bits from the systemd package:
>
> 1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/initctl SysV compat support). Last
>time Debian was still using that, maybe this
On 02/11/2016 08:41 PM, Armin K. wrote:
On 11.02.2016 21:04, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 02/11/2016 05:34 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
2) compat support for libsystemd-login.so and friends (these were
merged into a single libsystemd.so a long time ago). We are still
bui
Am 11.02.2016 um 22:11 schrieb Martin Pitt:
Martin Pitt [2016-02-11 21:59 +0100]:
This would apply if you boot with systemd, then install sysvinit, and
want to reboot the machine (using SysV's /sbin/reboot), right? Or the
other way around?
This is still somewhat relevant for Debian, but maybe
Martin Pitt [2016-02-11 21:59 +0100]:
> This would apply if you boot with systemd, then install sysvinit, and
> want to reboot the machine (using SysV's /sbin/reboot), right? Or the
> other way around?
>
> This is still somewhat relevant for Debian, but maybe there's
> something simpler that can b
Hello,
answering for Debian/Ubuntu.
Lennart Poettering [2016-02-11 18:06 +0100]:
> 1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/initctl SysV compat support). Last
>time Debian was still using that, maybe this changed now?
This would apply if you boot with systemd, then install sysvinit, and
want to reb
On 11.02.2016 21:04, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>
>
> On 02/11/2016 05:34 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>>> >2) compat support for libsystemd-login.so and friends (these were
>>> >merged into a single libsystemd.so a long time ago). We are still
>>> >building compat libraries t
Am 11.02.2016 um 20:37 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
Arguably you should chop away the environment files support in the
process since you are already wielding the axe...
no - damned there are a ton of reasons to use them where it *do not
matter* if you would do whatever this way or not
th
On 02/11/2016 05:34 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>2) compat support for libsystemd-login.so and friends (these were
>merged into a single libsystemd.so a long time ago). We are still
>building compat libraries to ease the transition, but that was a
>long time ago, hence I'
On 11.02.2016 20:44, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 06:45:52PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> On Thu, 11.02.16 17:34, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 06:06:45PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Heya!
>
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 06:45:52PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Thu, 11.02.16 17:34, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 06:06:45PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > Heya!
> > >
> > > So I am thinking about some spring cleaning, and w
On 02/11/2016 05:06 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Heya!
So I am thinking about some spring cleaning, and would love to remove
the following bits from the systemd package:
All seem to be very sound choice to make.
Arguably you should chop away the environment files support in the
process si
Am 11.02.2016 um 19:18 schrieb Matthias Urlichs:
On 11.02.2016 18:49, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Again: this does not break systems with split off /var, as I tried to
make very clear in my original mail. All that's needed is that the
initrd mounts /var before handing off control to the main sys
On 11.02.2016 18:49, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Again: this does not break systems with split off /var, as I tried to
> make very clear in my original mail. All that's needed is that the
> initrd mounts /var before handing off control to the main system.
I know that. Please don't assume that I mis
On Thu, 11.02.16 20:57, Andrei Borzenkov (arvidj...@gmail.com) wrote:
> 11.02.2016 20:52, Lennart Poettering пишет:
> > On Thu, 11.02.16 20:48, Andrei Borzenkov (arvidj...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >
> >> 11.02.2016 20:06, Lennart Poettering пишет:
> >>>
> >>> 5) Here's the controversial one I think: s
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> Heya!
>
> So I am thinking about some spring cleaning, and would love to remove
> the following bits from the systemd package:
>
All this looks good to me.
> 1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/initctl SysV compat support). Last
>t
11.02.2016 20:52, Lennart Poettering пишет:
> On Thu, 11.02.16 20:48, Andrei Borzenkov (arvidj...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>> 11.02.2016 20:06, Lennart Poettering пишет:
>>>
>>> 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
>>>without /var. We have kludges at quite a few places be
On Thu, 11.02.16 20:48, Andrei Borzenkov (arvidj...@gmail.com) wrote:
> 11.02.2016 20:06, Lennart Poettering пишет:
> >
> > 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
> >without /var. We have kludges at quite a few places because we
> >cannot access /var early during
On Thu, 11.02.16 18:29, Matthias Urlichs (matth...@urlichs.de) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Lennart Poettering:
> > 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
> >without /var.
>
> Meh. I have quite a few multi-boot systems with a common /var/log
> partition. Plus, unlike the other "
11.02.2016 20:06, Lennart Poettering пишет:
>
> 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
>without /var. We have kludges at quite a few places because we
>cannot access /var early during boot. I am tempted to stop
>supporting this altogether. Of course, this does
Hi,
Lennart Poettering:
> 5) Here's the controversial one I think: support for booting up
>without /var.
Meh. I have quite a few multi-boot systems with a common /var/log
partition. Plus, unlike the other "spring cleaning" changes this would
cause a boot failure after update.
Thus: if you mu
On Thu, 11.02.16 17:34, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 06:06:45PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > Heya!
> >
> > So I am thinking about some spring cleaning, and would love to remove
> > the following bits from the systemd package:
> >
> > 1)
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 06:06:45PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Heya!
>
> So I am thinking about some spring cleaning, and would love to remove
> the following bits from the systemd package:
>
> 1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/initctl SysV compat support). Last
>time Debian was still
Heya!
So I am thinking about some spring cleaning, and would love to remove
the following bits from the systemd package:
1) systemd-initctl (i.e. the /dev/initctl SysV compat support). Last
time Debian was still using that, maybe this changed now?
2) compat support for libsystemd-login.so and
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