> The issue is you're too lazy to even run tidy on your HTML.
This is really going way too far.
> take you 10 seconds to run and would give you nice valid XHTML as a
> basis to work from. As it is, you have elements like lying about,
> which are not valid within ThML and will cause problems for
> I don't know the filters well, but surely if there is really a need it
> should be possible for frontends to plug their own URL reference
> structure into the filter? Something like: they provide a function
> which takes a key and a module and converts it into a URL. Then the
> passagestudy cou
Four.
On 11/26/08, Brian J. Dumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>> Daniel Owens wrote:
>>
>>> This discussion (despite the occasional vitriolic accusation or personal
>>> attack) is really important. There are two issues at stake--one is
>>> technical (and this discussion i
Praying everyone has a happy thanksgiving, and praying for unity at
the sword project.
Matthew
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Chris,
There are several issues I would like to comment on, and several
things I agree with you on, but it's late and I'm tired so they will
have to wait or others will I'm sure.
I think maybe you're missing something here. We have non-programmers
who want to create modules. You just told them to
o has this trouble, I can certainly relate, but I wish you
could really understand what this does to the project as a whole. I'm
afraid you don't and won't. I'm sorry if this is offensive. i am going
to shut up now.
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Chris Little <[EMAIL PROTECT
> This is an open source project. If you have an itch, it's your own
> responsibility to scratch it. If you don't know how to do something,
> it's your own responsibility to learn how.
>
> When I started working on Sword, we didn't have any general purpose
> import tools. We didn't have documentati
Chris,
Thank you for this response. It makes me feel better about the whole
situation. Realize that what I'm asking for is not just for me, but
also the non-coders here who need some help. I know it's a lot to ask
anyone, but I think you would get more support in general, including
from Karl, if y
> Your list of suggested additions to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with due
> respect, consists of persons who are technically unqualified or, because
> they do not subscribe to CrossWire policies on these matters,
> ideologically unqualified to be part of that process. I don't mean to
> insult or ruffle any
http://www.crosswire.org/sword/about/index.jsp
I'm all for it
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> The present thread was begun because Karl recommended a solution that is
> in opposition to our fundamental move towards OSIS and TEI and that had
> no guarantee of working outside of GnomeSword.
You can't see any irony in the fact that the solution you proposed was
guaranteed to not work on any
> By the way, I don't understand how knowing OSIS is of any help to
> front-e
nd developers? If I understand correctly, a front-end requests
> the SWORD engine to hand it HTML or RTF or the like and displays that
> as is.
because we've been told repeatedly in this thread that the engine
fully supp
First of all I apologize for any rash or uneducated comments I have
made in the last few days. If I have offended anyone, please let me
know.
I have a proposal to make that could solve two issues at once. In the
simplest form, the proposal is to organize a group effort to convert
an existing publi
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Chris Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Matthew Talbert wrote:
>> I have a proposal to make that could solve two issues at once. In the
>> simplest form, the proposal is to organize a group effort to convert
>> an existin
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Greg Hellings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eeli,
>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Eeli Kaikkonen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If you (or someone else) can, try GnomeSword and go through the keys
>> one by one.
>
> Alas, since I'm running sword-svn, and no one
Troy, Chris, DM and anyone else who is a leader here:
>From my perspective, the community that has built up around the sword
project is asking and pleading for a few changes. It is very clear
looking through the archives from the past year that there is
considerable discontent, and desire for a fe
> > 1. Find some way to increase transparency in the module submission
> > process. There have been several suggestions made, many of which could
> > be implemented easily. It appears that the biggest complaint is that
> > Chris has entire control of the process without any oversight or
> > account
> project and I am willing to bend over to support that effort. I used
> to be (and sometimes, unconsciously, still am) very abrasive and my
> sister, in her own loving way, encouraged me that "it is easier to
> catch flies with honey than vinegar."
While I haven't find you abrasive at all, I don'
> Matthew,
>
> This is Chris and not the project. Chris is in a controlling position
> specifically with modules, but he is not the project leader. And the
> royal we in use is just this, a royal we and not a plural one. At least
> no plural has been demonstrated so far. Reference to the silent maj
> If we, as Christians, can't work together towards the goal of
> producing Bible software... ouch! So I don't like Chris on e-mail
> lists. To tell the truth, when I look at a majority of the e-mails I
> send on these lists, I probably wouldn't like myself, either. All of
> us have faults, we h
> There are other organizations who are dedicated to being authoritative
> text sources. One of these organizations is CCEL, with whom CrossWire
> has a very good relationship. We want to encourage their ministry, as
> they have encouraged our ministry. If there is not a good document
> source f
> 2) $APPDATA\Sword (preferred location)
> 3) $HOME\.sword (this needs to be deprecated under windows in favour of the
> above - and it needs engine support added to look for the above)
GS uses this now, but would use 2) if engine support was added.
> 4) $ALLUSERSPROFILE\Sword
GS uses ALLUSERSP
> they should be in a different place. I personally don't think modules
> should go under the AppData folder under windows. I don't think module data
> is user data at all. It is not, for example, user specific email, or
> anything like that. It is an integral part of the application and not us
> SWORD plays fine on Windows if you point SWORD_PATH to where the
> modules are installed. Handling whether they are writable by the user
> is a system administration issue, and should be left that way. The
> only time when a user won't have write access to the Program Files
> folder is when the
> There's nothing wrong with a "." at the beginning of a file or
> variable name. It simply hides the folder from regular user view,
> which is how it should be. The data in there is not intended for
> direct user interactions. If people want to see hidden folders/files,
> they can enable it.
N
> I am pointing out how the SWORD engine looks for it's configuration. Has
> anyone complaingin actually read the doc I pointed to?
Yes, and the code, several times today.
> of looking for configuration data allow for ANY imaginable configuration
> which has been suggested. There is no need to a
> Which programmes can install modules from within their module installer
> from a local location , say My Documents? If all can do so then I will
> not give _any_ explanation where to unzip. It is just not worth it, I
> think.
>
> Peter
GS can do this, if the module is unzipped. Just thinking ab
>> $HOME/Library/Application Support/sword
>> $APPDATA/sword
>> $ALLUSERSPROFILE/sword
>
> Please use Sword and not sword. It matters for the first one as that is what
> MacSword and BibleDesktop use on the Mac. On windows it doesn't matter, as
> windows is case insensitive, but BibleDesktop and on
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kjvwithbrotherv/ - a daily devotional module
This is actually a parody of Christianity in general and "fundamental"
Christianity in particular. As such, it includes racism, bigotry, and
general crudeness.
Matthew
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What does ICU do that glib doesn't? See, for example,
http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/2.18/glib-Unicode-Manipulation.html.
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> glib appears to have a good selection of basic Unicode handling functions.
> However, I don't see any reference made to UCA or CLDR. I'm sure they're
> implementing the normalization algorithms correctly, but if they aren't
> specifically using UCA and CLDR for collation, collation won't be ident
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>
> Matthew Talbert wrote:
> > My bias against ICU is that I have never been able to successfully
> > compile against it, either on Windows or Linux. That has been quite a
> > while ago, so I should try again. Als
In addition to what Karl said, the module manager itself will tell you
exactly where it is installing modules to, and will allow you to
choose which location should be used. Look at "Install Destination"
under "Configure".
Matthew
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I'm glad you like it.
> I'm really pleased with the way it works. It seems to mess up the display
> slightly when I show NetNotes in the commentary window. I assume that this
> is the display 'todo' that was mentioned in Karl's initial post.
No, I don't think it is. Could you describe exactly
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Barry Drake wrote:
>
> Hi there ..
>
> Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>>
>> We have released Xiphos (née GnomeSword) version 3.
>
> Following on from my last posting, I discovered the 'sync with main' and
> 'stay in sync' menuitems on the free-floating bible window.
I have successfully compiled ICU with mingw on Windows and I'm trying
to get the transliteration filters working. These now work in Xiphos
in linux. However, the location of the filters appears hard-coded in
utf8transliterator.cpp. Is there an interface to allow passing the
location at runtime? Thi
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Chris Little wrote:
> Matthew Talbert wrote:
>>
>> I have successfully compiled ICU with mingw on Windows and I'm trying
>> to get the transliteration filters working. These now work in Xiphos
>> in linux. However, the location of t
> Here's a link where various people give their anecdotal experiences
> with these tasks:
> http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=430569
>
> And here is the link at the very end of the above thread which seems
> like it has much of the information you'll need to avoid having to
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:14 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>
> Are any Frontend developers thinking about providing UI support for
> http://www.code2000.net/numbersutf.htm non-Latin numerals for chapter and
> verse references?
>
> -- David
Xiphos has support for Farsi numerals. (on Windows, open a cmd
I do not know about the others, but cross-verse search is not possible
in Xiphos.
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clucene search is done per-document. With the way the indexing is set
up, each document is a single verse. Thus, a proximity search is only
within the document/single verse. I could be wrong about this, but I'm
fairly positive that this is correct. I have looked at the lucene
syntax quite a bit and
>
> Bible Desktop/JSword (thus AlKitab and FireBible) have proximity searches
> across verse boundaries. The syntax is reminiscent of Lucene, but a bit
> different.
> Aaron ~3 Moses will find all verses with Aaron within 3 verses of Moses.
If I may ask, how do you implement this with lucene? Is it
> Could you for curiosity sake test xiphos on it?
I can almost 100% guarantee it won't work. There are Windows api
functions being used that were simply non-existent back then.
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> I could, but I think it is a low priority for me and for the Xiphos folk.
> (Who may not want to know if it works there ;)
If it works, would that mean we would have to support it? (desperately
praying it won't!!)
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> MMital,
>
> I had the same problem linking CLucene into Bibletime. The solution
> was simple, although not self-evident. I'm going to guess that you
> are building the CLucene library with the provided project file in
> clucene-core-0.9.21b
I misread that sword actually compiled. Upon closer look, I see it
failed with precisely the same errors I expected.
Greg, I would be interested in knowing whether BT is using clucene
compiled without Unicode support. The easiest way to do this is to
look in the pre-processor definitions and see i
>
> The default build that comes out of the CMake file has WIN32,
> _WINDOWS, _DEBUG, CMAKE_INTDIR defined for the CLucene build file that
> I'm using, and that's it. However, when looking through
> clucene-config.h and CLConfig.h in the CLucene build directories, it
> appears that they default to
>
> As far as our version scheme, we used to follow linux kernel version
> standards of having x.y.z, even y as stable and odd as development. As the
> linux kernel no longer does this, I supposed we still follow linux kernel
> versioning scheme :) We should have a plan again soon. We actually h
> That doesn't mean it is the sole property of CrossWire, but it does mean that
> copyright is jointly held between CrossWire and the front end author(s).
> >Disagree? Ask licens...@fsf.org.
Did you really mean to say copyright here? It is my understanding,
reinforced by
http://www.gnu.org/lice
"isa 1" goes to 1 Samuel
"isaiah 1" goes to Rev 1:1
I don't know of any other parsing errors in particular, but these two
make me worried that perhaps there are.
Matthew
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> Matthew, could you give a test case? Are you saying that
> sword/utilities/parsekey "isa 1" fails for you?
Well, I was just reporting what happens in Xiphos. As Ben said this is
a regression. At any rate, presuming you mean sword/tests/parsekey
here are the results:
./parsekey "isa 1"
isa 1: I
Forwarding to CrossWire.
BTW, Jonathan requested to be subscribed to sword-devel but his
request was never approved.
Matthew
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From: Jonathan Marsden
Date: Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:06 AM
Subject: [Pkg-crosswire-devel] Beta SWORD modules StrongsGreek.zip and
H
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Sebastien Koechlin
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 04:53:24PM +, jonathon wrote:
>> I just found the following thread:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sword-frontend-developers/browse_thread/thread/3698455e2c4a22e8
>
> We can not read this thread:
>
> "You c
I've already argued with JB at length about this, and don't care to
repeat it, particularly not here. I just want to add 2 points to what
Chris said.
1. libmdb ignores the "password protection" completely. So anything
done with libmdb would by necessity "bypass" the non-existent
"password protecti
There is one serious advantage to adding import tools to a frontend
(ie, on Windows). There is a tremendous amount of content in ThML at
CCEL, but the licensing prohibits distributing said content. It's for
personal use only. The only formats that are re-distributable are the
plain-text documents.
> It's because people don't step up and write the documentation. I'd love to
> include the man pages from Jonathan Marsden in SVN. Thanks Jonathan, for
> stepping up and trying to solve this area where we're lacking.
Troy,
I wasn't trying to instigate a fight (nor have I ever). I was merely
g
Folks, I don't appreciate this. I never intended to imply that
Jonathon's patches wouldn't be welcome. I was simply quoting what I
assumed to be CrossWire policy. "Making a high barrier of entry" is
mentioned quite a few times. Could someone please explain why this
isn't CrossWire policy? Or why pe
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Matthew,
>
> I'm sorry, but you had to go back to 2003 and quote Don Elbourne's "buzz
> off" in which he immediately after says "Of course I'm being sarcastic".
>
> The policy has always been that CrossWire module repo standards shoot for
> As to why the current documentation isn't better, or why there aren't
> more modules in source format to look at, it's essentially CrossWire
> policy to keep it so that average users can't create modules easily
> (don't flame me for this; I could provide a whole host of links to
> support this cl
>> const is important in public interface methods to advertise to the
>> consumer what our contract is. For example, if we have a method like:
>>
>> doSomething(const SWModule *) {
>> }
>>
>> we are guaranteeing to the caller that we will not modify the
>> SWModule. Unless hasEn
> The fact remains that old locale files and new locale files cannot operate
> on the same sword configuration. Both 1.5.x and 1.6.x will fail if this is
> the case. We can make 1.6.x ignore the 1.5.x locales, but we can't do
> anything about the 1.5.x software already on the computer. It will c
> Thanks for sounding off Matthew. It's good to know at least this isn't
> broken for you. Please let me know how we are doing. I would really like
> to take care of any outstanding issues for your team before we release.
Well, there is the whole NTFS issue, but I'm certainly not expecting
anyt
Wouldn't most of the problems be solved by compressing the modules
only for download, rather than leaving them compressed? I know disk
space is potentially still a concern for some, but probably isn't as
much of an issue as bandwidth. My preference would be to have them
compressed for downloading a
With -r2304, Xiphos no longer displays footnotes, cross-refs, Strongs,
Morphology.
In addition to diatheke displaying the entire Bible for any reference,
its output looks like this:
diatheke -b KJV -o fmnx -k gen 5:3
Genesis 27:17: And she gave (TH٨٧٩٩) the savoury meat
and the bread , which s
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:28 PM, DM Smith wrote:
> Those are Farsi numbers. Looks like a locale problem.
>
> --DM
>
It would seem so, but I have the latest locales, and my environment is
set up correctly as far as I can see. There is now an independent
report of this occurring at 2300 as well.
Ma
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Matthew Talbert wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:28 PM, DM Smith wrote:
>> Those are Farsi numbers. Looks like a locale problem.
I get the same output even if I specify -l en
Confirmed all issues on another computer.
Xiphos missing strongs and morphology was my mistake. The rest still
are issues (except I see that the 1p issue is fixed, thanks Chris).
Matthew
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This patch prevents Farsi numbers from being used. I think it prevents
it always, but I'm not sure. At any rate, the root of the problem is
here.
Index: diathekemgr.cpp
===
--- diathekemgr.cpp (revision 2306)
+++ diathekemgr.cpp
> I did not mean SWORD's locale, but the determination of the user's locale
> and the need to do number shaping when it is 'fa'
>
> I'm not familiar with the code to do this.
Actually, diatheke doesn't look at the users' locale (as far as I
know). It is *supposed* to take an option 'r' for "Arabic
Much of my motivation for making importing easier was the availability
of a large number of ThML documents at CCEL. The license (previously)
allowed personal use only, no redistribution which made it a good
resource for easy import. However, I just realized that CCEL now
charges $2.95 for each down
> Anyway, all this to say, I now know of no outstanding issues with SVN head
> and would REALLY appreciate testing and feedback from frontends to let us
> know if we're ready for a release.
Any comment on the searching issue I described earlier? (paired lemmas)
Matthew
A big thank you to whoever put up the Leningrad module for testing.
After a few minutes of testing, it is obvious that Xiphos has a long
way to go to support av11n. It is impossible at this point to even
determine whether there are any problems in sword in this regards,
because we are clearly assu
> Now in the world of av11n, modules can have keys that contain different
> books, different maxChapters per book, different maxVerses per chapter,
> different orders of book-- basically, in the same way as currently focusing
> any individual GenBook causes us to repopulate the navigation controls,
curl-config is a shell script. I initially copied mine from linux and
altered it to suit. In my latest attempt, I built curl from source
which created the curl-config script as well. Currently, I don't
believe there is even a -devel package for Windows (though there was
previously).
The best thing
> Addition of a new feature when doing entryAttribute searching: the suffix of
> a '.' will expand search to include components, for example:
> Word//Lemma./G932/
> will register a hit if G932 matches Lemma, Lemma.1, Lemma.2, etc.
Is there any danger in always using Lemma. ?
>
> Addition of a new
>
> Yes, I tested it with:
>
> LocalePath="./"
>
> and had a locales.d/ in the same location as my binary.
>
> Let me know if it doesn't do what we expect on windows.
>
This should work. I'm not sure when I'll be able to test, but I don't
foresee any problems with this approach.
Thanks,
Matthew
> I am still using your environment - but there wasn't a curl-config there.
hmm, that's odd.
> However, once I knew what it was, I copied the one from my Linux box and
> hacked that until I got it to work. But even so, after a huge amount of
> hacking the makefiles to get them to find the heade
I subscribe to sword-svn as an attempt to educate myself on the
library, and, of course, to keep track of current changes. It would be
a real help to me if the commit messages were longer and more
informative. As I am very new to a lot of the engine stuff, it is hard
to tell just by looking at the
> Thanks. That got me a lot further. There is no problem with curl now, and
> without ICU, it mostly builds. I get the sword libraries, but the one
> dependency I haven't filled as yet is the gnome crypto library. It's getting
> late here, so I'm putting it on hold for now.
I believe your probl
> Following this dialogue has been interesting :)
>
> It seems to me that a wiki page documenting step by step how to build SWORD
> under mingw, starting with a freshly installed Windows XP system, might be
> worthwhile?
There is a page here:
http://crosswire.org/wiki/Gnomesword_for_Windows#Compil
> This scheme would work fine if folks would use the bugtracker (i.e. not
> report bugs only to sword-devel or in the wiki). When I fix things in the
> library that I notice myself, I don't tend to file a bug report before
> fixing them--I just fix them--and I would expect others who work on the
>
diatheke works correctly.
I agree with your analysis on why the frontends don't work. I believe
that there has been very little discussion here of the VerseKey
changes. It would be appreciated if there could be some more
explanation of the changes that might be needed in a frontend to use
av11n. F
Does anyone have an objection to the following patch? It simply adds a
space between *x or *n and the following word. The lack of a space
causes problems with Xiphos "click to look up a word". The only module
that I know that it affects is the ESV as the majority of the modules
put the crossrefs an
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Ben Morgan wrote:
> I object (luke-warmly). Cross-references are (in the ESV) tied to the word
> in front. If you put a space in, you can't tell which word (before or after)
> it is tied to.
Is there any particular reason that cross-refs in ESV are in front of
wor
> This is where Crossway, the publisher, put them.
>
> Note, it might be tied to the following phrase, not the word. So
> programmatically moving them is not a good idea.
I assumed it would be fine, as this is what the RTF filters already
do. In BibleCS, the ESV cross-refs are one space away from
It definitely shouldn't be published. I believe that it is not
accessible at all from ftp.xiphos.org (which is where Karl's repo is
now located), and should not have been accessible from kleinpaste. How
is the master list created?
Matthew
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The repo is now inaccessible completely. It is a curious thing that it
appeared on the master list as it existed only for Karl's private use
and was impossible to discover without prior knowledge.
Matthew
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Is it possible that you forgot to commit your patches to trunk? I
don't see them in the commit message, nor in svn.
Matthew
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I'm working on a commentary in OSIS, and I have an issue. It seems to
be related to having more than one per . In this case, I have
two 's like so:
some content
some more content
Everything is fine up to and including the two . But afterwards,
there is no content in the commentary at all, and
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Eeli Kaikkonen
wrote:
> Quoting Manfred Bergmann :
>
>> So I need to subclass InstallMgr now?
>> Hmm, not sure I like it, means more code an an additional class just to
>> return a true here.
>
> This is what I tried to explain in an earlier post. I didn't know tha
If I could also please request that the previous function be added
back in. Like Manfred, subclassing InstallMgr to call a gui function
is violating the separation we try to have between frontend and
backend code. Already, we simply provide our own warning, always
returning true to the function. We
> However in this case, in this virtual method a delegate method could be
> called which can be any class implementing a certain defined method or
> interface.
> The delegate could be the UI controller that handles the disclaimer dialog.
The problem with all of this for us, is that our warning is
Thanks Troy
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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> I'm getting "resource unavailable" on a lot of pages at CrossWire,
> including much of the Doxygen tree... did the CrossWire web site / web
> server just get itself into a non-working state (again)?
It seems to be working for me.
Matthe
>>> Addition of a new feature when doing entryAttribute searching: the suffix
>>> of
>>> a '.' will expand search to include components, for example:
>>> Word//Lemma./G932/
>>> will register a hit if G932 matches Lemma, Lemma.1, Lemma.2, etc.
>>
>> Is there any danger in always using Lemma. ?
>
> N
> Matthew, I don't think we can reasonably make this the default. I'm sorry.
> The '.' tells the lemma search code to enter different logic which iterates
> each item at the lowest level and see if it has a prefix up to the '.'.
> This logic is slower than the map lookup normally used, and there
>
> Actually, no, I think the design is quite good and flexible for all the
> various types of attributes we store. It could always have features added,
> and I added this one in this release for you. I am sorry you don't like the
> default.
>
> I actually said for _lemma searches_ I would always
Troy,
>From a user's perspective, they simply want to do a search for G140
and return all of the results for that. Then they want to do a search
for G1401 and return all of the results for that. If the engine
doesn't allow this (which it hasn't until this change), then from the
user's perspective,
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Hey Matthew,
>
> You recommended using APPDATA to avoid hardcoding "Application Data" in our
> path string, in case it was localized.
>
> I noticed that we have a bug in the ALLUSERSPROFILE lookup logic where we
> are NOT appending "Appli
> Data changes (as in .conf files and so forth), sure (it would be nice if
> there was a .conf file validator though). Touch a .h or .cpp file and
> you're probably looking at another RC, to be safe :)
I'm not sure I understand the locales .conf files at this point well
enough to help out with va
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