Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb

2022-10-05 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2022-09-24, 07:43 GMT, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > This morning I sent Psalm 139 to remind a friend that God who > created a 1000 galaxies formed her and wrote each of her days... > and then I realized that she will likely click on the link from > her phone and then I thought of you. 🙂 Any more t

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb

2022-09-24 Thread Tobias Klein
The browser has a mapping between physical screen resolution and actual browser viewport pixels. They are not the same! Therefore, this actually works (based on browser viewport size). There are various mapping tables / device catalogues that you can find online. Best regards, Tobias Am 24. S

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb

2022-09-24 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Considering that many phones have more than FHD resolution but still are tiny screened is this really the most useful distinction?Sent from my phone. Please forgive misspellings and weird “corrections”On 24 Sep 2022, at 13:47, Tobias Klein wrote: Hi Troy, Many web apps

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb

2022-09-24 Thread Tobias Klein
Hi Troy, Many web apps optimize for different screen sizes and have several configurations in the CSS. Something you would consider "responsive web design". Based on filters like this in the CSS (example from Ezra Bible App): Phone @mediascreenand (max-width: 450px), (max-height: 450px) {

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb

2022-09-24 Thread Peter von Kaehne
I was one of these. I have created a number of instances. Most/all(?) fell by the wayside eventually. I always felt it was very hard work to make run for someone who is a hobbyist in essence. I am not sure how to fix that. My main difficulties were always around Tomcat and the CORBA connection.  Ma

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb

2022-09-24 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Nope, that didn't work :)  Whereas https://crosswire.org moved the sidebar divs under the main body, swordweb tried to keep them and basically had a 1 word column for the Bible text. :)  We need you, Don!  HTML/CSS are not my strong points :) On 9/24/22 09:43, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Hi Don,

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb

2022-09-24 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Hi Don, This morning I sent Psalm 139 to remind a friend that God who created a 1000 galaxies formed her and wrote each of her days... and then I realized that she will likely click on the link from her phone and then I thought of you. 🙂 Any more thoughts on a more mobile-friendly UI? A few ye

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb

2021-08-16 Thread Don Elbourne
Troy, ok Great. Thanks. I have not messed with Docker yet. I guess I need to get with the times. lol This will give me a good excuse. No promises, but I will check it out. -- by grace alone, Pastor Don A. Elbourne Jr. Lakeshore Baptist Church http://lakeshorebaptist.net http://rebuildlakesho

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb

2021-08-14 Thread Tobias Klein
Ezra Bible App could also be turned into a website with not so much effort. Actually it was a website originally and then I turned it into a desktop app. The only thing necessary would be to run it's backend on a nodejs server instead of a local node instance and then replace the internal IPC

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb

2021-08-14 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Hi Don! I don't know if anyone is running the site other than CrossWire. We've helped a few people setup the software over the years but not sure if they continue to run it. We've made an OCI container of the software to make it scalable and to more easily spin up an image: https://hub.docker.

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb compile error, warnings

2018-04-19 Thread Peter Von Kaehne
Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" Hi Peter. That's a strange error: ./org/crosswire/swordweb/HorizontallyParallelTextRendering.java:9: error: error while writing HorizontallyParallelTextRendering: could not create parent directories It sounds like a file permission problem or something similar. Are you

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb compile error, warnings

2018-04-19 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Hi Peter. That's a strange error: ./org/crosswire/swordweb/HorizontallyParallelTextRendering.java:9: error: error while writing HorizontallyParallelTextRendering: could not create parent directories It sounds like a file permission problem or something similar. Are you trying to compile this t

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb Docker image

2017-03-05 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Yes, docker just makes things easy to both get things up and running quickly without worrying about dependencies, or to spin up swordweb as a service in a fault-tolerant / load-balanced cluster using something like kubernetes. Greg has optimized my Dockerfile to make it generate an image which

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb Docker image

2017-03-05 Thread DM Smith
Troy and I were musing about this last week. He pointed out that there are frequent requests for SwordWeb functionality on another host. This appears to make it much simpler to get it up and running. DM > On Mar 5, 2017, at 1:00 PM, David Haslam wrote: > > I expect I'm not the only list membe

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb Docker image

2017-03-05 Thread David Haslam
I expect I'm not the only list member that had to go and find out what on earth Troy was talking about when he used the word "docker". https://www.docker.com/ Even so, it would help to know a bit more on how Troy sees this advance the aims of CrossWire. Best regards, David -- View this mes

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb Docker image

2017-03-04 Thread Greg Hellings
I hadn't tried it, as I was on my phone responding to your initial email. The Docker hub has the direct ability to build things easily off of a linked repository. I just went through setting that up last week for an image I'm using to test stuff at work. So getting automated builds without needing

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb Docker image

2017-03-04 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
We're not building with automation yet. This is just a first attempt to make it work. The Dockerfile is committed in the swordweb repo but there are files that need to be built from SWORD (swordorbserver) and copied to the docker-template folder in swordweb before the Dockerfile can be used. Thi

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb Docker image

2017-03-04 Thread Greg Hellings
Where is the repository with the Dockerfile? What triggers updates and rebuilds of the container? On Mar 4, 2017 7:05 PM, "Troy A. Griffitts" wrote: > I've compiled a docker image for SWORDWeb if anyone is interested in > trying it out. If you have docker installed (should work on mac, windows,

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb links

2012-07-26 Thread Daniel Owens
Cool, thanks. That worked perfectly. Daniel On 07/26/2012 11:59 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Hi Daniel, Yeah, swordweb takes a number of parameter from most any page: mod is what you want, e.g., http://www.crosswire.org/study/passagestudy.jsp?key=Luke.1.5&mod=SBLGNT A few other globals whic

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb links

2012-07-26 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Hi Daniel, Yeah, swordweb takes a number of parameter from most any page: mod is what you want, e.g., http://www.crosswire.org/study/passagestudy.jsp?key=Luke.1.5&mod=SBLGNT A few other globals which might be interesting (with sample values: setStyle=Parchment lang=el On 07/26/2012 06:43

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb links

2012-07-26 Thread David Haslam
It's worth knowing about this wiki page, even though there's no mention of swordweb. http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:URI_Standard It would be nice if this page were to be updated with the latest information. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/swo

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb build Problems

2010-02-15 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 15.02.2010 um 11:31 schrieb Thomas Gollenia: > It seems as if there actually IS a difference. > I don't know if you're interested in making sword/swordweb > Mac-compatible. If so, there are a few other adjustments one sould make > (e.g. the omniorb directory (via macports in /opt/local)) and t

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb build Problems

2010-02-15 Thread Thomas Gollenia
It seems as if there actually IS a difference. I don't know if you're interested in making sword/swordweb Mac-compatible. If so, there are a few other adjustments one sould make (e.g. the omniorb directory (via macports in /opt/local)) and the ICU library (which didn't work, so I used swordicu)). O

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb build Problems

2010-02-15 Thread Manfred Bergmann
cp on Mac by default is a BSD cp not a GNU cp (in fact all fileutils are BSD). They may behave different? Manfred Am 15.02.2010 um 09:38 schrieb Thomas Gollenia: > Hi! > > > normally, it shouldn't, as MacOS uses bash as shell. However, i tried > the script again and it left out the "org" fol

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb build Problems

2010-02-15 Thread Thomas Gollenia
Hi! normally, it shouldn't, as MacOS uses bash as shell. However, i tried the script again and it left out the "org" folder. I changed the line to the following (removed the slash after org): cp -a classes/org ${instdir}/WEB-INF/classes/ and it worked. It seems as if cp copied all files IN or

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb build Problems

2010-02-14 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Dear Thomas, Glad you got things working. Thanks for your persistence. Regarding your issue, here's the question, I guess. Does this line from the Makefile work differently on the mac than it does on linux? cp -a classes/org/ ${instdir}/WEB-INF/classes/ Thomas Gollenia wrote: Hi! It

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb build Problems

2010-02-14 Thread Thomas Gollenia
Hi! It finally works! (after four days...). The corba/java install script copied the files in .../swordweb/webapp/WEB-INF/classes/crosswire/sword/orb/SwordOrb.class but it left out the "org" - don't know why. I added it manually, and it worked! maybe there's an error with the install-script? G

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb build Problems

2010-02-14 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Thomas, you shouldn't need to copy then anywhere, the make install will put them in the correct place if instdir in the Makefile is pointing to your swordweb/webapps/ folder. Check one file for me. The correct location, for, say, SwordOrb.class would be: .../swordweb/webapp/WEB-INF/classes/

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb build Problems

2010-02-14 Thread Thomas Gollenia
Hi Troy, That's what I did. The classes alre installed in the swordweb/webapp/WEB-INF/classes folder, the one the Makefile instdir points to. In this folder, teres a "crosswire/sword/orb" folder with 26 .class-files (_SWMgrStub.class etc). The error is still the same... I have copied these classfi

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb build Problems

2010-02-14 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Dear Thomas. The error you are seeing: package org.crosswire.sword.org does not exist, is due to java not finding the corba classes. From your sword/bindings/corba/java folder, where is your 'make install' installing to? It needs to install to the webapp/WEB-INF/classes folder where you are

Re: [sword-devel] SwordWeb and Javascript/AJAX

2009-02-23 Thread David Haslam
Having scripting permanently switched on is considered by some security conscious users as a security risk for drive-by malware infections. This has been discussed in some depth in various episodes of the weekly Security Now! podcasts hosted at http://grc.com/ grc.com . One solution that has bee

Re: [sword-devel] SwordWeb and Javascript/AJAX

2009-02-23 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > Just to get some feedback here : > > Currently Swordweb largely does not rely on Javascript - and the few > places where it does use Javascript, can be turned off + functionality > is then done on the server. > > We are thinking of hugely

Re: [sword-devel] SwordWeb for Beta modules down?

2008-12-12 Thread DM Smith
Brian J. Dumont wrote: > Hi all, > > In trying to do some beta testing, the link to SwordWeb for beta modules: > > http://www.crosswire.org/~dmsmith/swordweb/webapp > > seems down. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks > I forgot that was there! My guess is that I need to recompile it. Don't know why it w

Re: [sword-devel] Swordweb, license, gutting it and acknowledgements

2008-08-21 Thread Peter von Kaehne
The post below was answered in IRC. The application is GPL. the footer with teh logos can get removed. Peter Original-Nachricht > Datum: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:00:41 +0200 > Von: "Peter von Kaehne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum > Betreff: [sword-

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb / MacOSX

2008-02-04 Thread Greg Hellings
Troy, On Feb 4, 2008 12:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greg, > > The ultimate goal is to get Java to talk to the C++ backend, so just the > Java component alone is not useful. > I was afraid you might say that. > Regarding the backend, did you supply an appropriate --prefi

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb / MacOSX

2008-02-04 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Greg, The ultimate goal is to get Java to talk to the C++ backend, so just the Java component alone is not useful. Regarding the backend, did you supply an appropriate --prefix for MacOSX when configuring orbitcpp? It should be relative to where ORBit was installed. Have you done a 'make ins

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb / MacOSX

2008-02-04 Thread Greg Hellings
Manfred, On Feb 4, 2008 4:37 AM, Manfred Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greg, > > Fink has orbit in as installable package if that is of any use. Yes, but it doesn't have orbitcpp installed, which the package also uses. --Greg > > > Manfred > > > > Am 04.02.2008 um 10:25 schrieb Greg Hel

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb / MacOSX

2008-02-04 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Greg, Fink has orbit in as installable package if that is of any use. Manfred Am 04.02.2008 um 10:25 schrieb Greg Hellings: > Troy, > > I've been working on this, but so far I am stuck with trying to > compile the orbitcpp. The latest version of it that I can locate is > dated back on 2004

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb / MacOSX

2008-02-04 Thread Greg Hellings
Troy, I've been working on this, but so far I am stuck with trying to compile the orbitcpp. The latest version of it that I can locate is dated back on 2004 and the C++ part compiles fine, but then I keep getting errors about missing backend libraries for the idl-compiler. I could try to tackle t

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb / Win32

2008-02-03 Thread David Trotz
Troy, Make that a +2 on WinXP! I got it up and running no problems. Instructions were very concise and clear. That's pretty cool stuff you have there Troy! I had to double check the url to believe it was running locally. -- David Trotz Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Dear David, Thanks for the feed

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb / Win32

2008-02-02 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Dear David, Thanks for the feedback. It's good to know it works on a box other than my development machine. There is a readme at the root which says how to configure it to run at the location you installed it to. It would be nice if everything was relative. We could probably accomplish some

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb / Win32

2008-02-02 Thread David Forslund
I downloaded and installed it on my WinXP notebook. The only issue I found was that it wanted to be installed in the root of the drive I installed it in. I fired up Tomcat provided with it and went to the swordweb page. That launched the orb server but only after I put the swordweb director

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb / MacOSX

2008-02-02 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Dear Greg, Thank you! In the bindings/corba/orbitcpp directory the targets of the makefile include a 'server' and 'testclient'. If you can run the server successfully, it should output an IOR:x string. In another window, if you run the testclient with this string as a parameter, it shoul

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb / MacOSX

2008-02-02 Thread Greg Hellings
Troy, On Feb 2, 2008 5:41 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have struggled my way through compiling SWORDWeb binaries for Win32 > and should be releasing a precompiled package shortly. > > At BibleTech:2008 we had a request for a precompiled version for the > Mac. Is there anyo

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb small updates

2006-10-25 Thread Bill Burton
Hello Troy, I checked Genesis 2 in the NASB and older KJV and they both appear fine here. -Bill On 10/25/06, Troy A. Griffitts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey guys. Thanks for the report. I believe I've fixed this problem. > Please report if you still see trouble. > >-Troy. > > > > Bi

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb small updates

2006-10-25 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Hey guys. Thanks for the report. I believe I've fixed this problem. Please report if you still see trouble. -Troy. Bill Burton wrote: > Hello, > > On 10/25/06, Gabriel M. Beddingfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Tue, October 24, 2006 12:53 am, Ben Morgan wrote: >> >>>

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb small updates

2006-10-25 Thread Bill Burton
Hello, On 10/25/06, Gabriel M. Beddingfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, October 24, 2006 12:53 am, Ben Morgan wrote: > > Hi. > > > > If you point swordweb to Genesis 2:18, using the original KJV, there is > > something funny happening. > > In Genesis 2, at least 6 verses aren't there, a

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb small updates

2006-10-25 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Tue, October 24, 2006 12:53 am, Ben Morgan wrote: > Hi. > > If you point swordweb to Genesis 2:18, using the original KJV, there is > something funny happening. > In Genesis 2, at least 6 verses aren't there, and some of the ones which > are > there do not appear fully. > Something like this ap

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb small updates

2006-10-23 Thread Ben Morgan
Hi.If you point swordweb to Genesis 2:18, using the original KJV, there is something funny happening.In Genesis 2, at least 6 verses aren't there, and some of the ones which are there do not appear fully.Something like this appears to be happening in the NASB as well for Genesis 2. This appears to

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb i18n

2006-06-09 Thread Yiguang Hu
Troy, I updated my sword source from svn and rebuild the orbitcpp failed with the following error, Any idea? Thanks Yiguang swordorb-impl.cpp: sword::ListKey result; if ((scope) && (strlen(scope)) > 0) { lscope = parser.ParseVerseList(scope, parser, true);

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb i18n

2006-06-08 Thread Yiguang Hu
I will get our install updated when your other improvement is in. I may be able take a look at SWORDWeb merge of passagestudy.jsp and parallelstudy.jsp That may get me knowing the code better and get involved. Yiguang --- "Troy A. Griffitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yiguang, > > > I have a

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb

2006-04-27 Thread Zac Brown
Being able to do that with kind of thing with the Bible/Commentary views like Netvibes.com has would be awesome. Would it have individual user logins so he/she can save sessions that they were currently studying? I'm kind of behind on this development but am interested in the process.   God speed.

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWEB Footnote / Cross-ref support

2006-01-30 Thread DM Smith
Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Hey guys, Thank you for the feedback. I will say once again for the newcomers, in case they haven't realized it yet: I am terrible at making things look pretty. Anything that looks good on swordweb is due to other people writing nice CSS and HTML, etc. If anyone

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWEB Footnote / Cross-ref support

2006-01-30 Thread DM Smith
Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Hey guys, Thank you for the feedback. I will say once again for the newcomers, in case they haven't realized it yet: I am terrible at making things look pretty. Anything that looks good on swordweb is due to other people writing nice CSS and HTML, etc. If anyone

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWEB Footnote / Cross-ref support

2006-01-29 Thread John.Caro.std
Hi I really like the direction you are going with crosslinking different resources. It didn't seem to work in the versions besides ASB. Also I didn't see any morphologiical references, but frankly I didn't know what I was looking for. I am also wondering if there is a prettier way to format

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWEB Footnote / Cross-ref support

2006-01-29 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Hey guys, Thank you for the feedback. I will say once again for the newcomers, in case they haven't realized it yet: I am terrible at making things look pretty. Anything that looks good on swordweb is due to other people writing nice CSS and HTML, etc. If anyone has graphic design talent a

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWEB Footnote / Cross-ref support

2006-01-29 Thread Daniel Blake
FYI - I did the exact same thing. Toggled the Footnotes on and immediately scrolled to the bottom of the page to see them. It may not be right, but I think most of us have been trained to think and expect to find things that way. Thanks for the work. It looks good. Daniel Blake DM Smith w

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWEB Footnote / Cross-ref support

2006-01-29 Thread DM Smith
Looks good. Some thoughts. In the NASB module each of the notes and cross references has an "n" attribute which can be used for a marker. I don't know if the sword api exposes them. If it does, you might want to use it. In the "It's just my preference" category, I think that since you are no

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWEB Footnote / Cross-ref support

2006-01-29 Thread Scott Thomas
Troy, I took a brief look at a passage I've been studying, and it looks very nice. I really like the footnotes, especially. Scott Troy A. Griffitts wrote: A first attempt at footnote / crossref support is available for testing at: http://crosswire.org/study/passagestudy.jsp Notice 2 new to

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb Footnotes / ESV Footnotes

2006-01-08 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Current SVN of sword has support to show a clickable span where each footnote appears in the text. It calls a javascript function which isn't written yet, and it looks horrible because there is no CSS for the span class. If you install swordweb from SVN and view a module with footnotes, you

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb on Windows

2006-01-08 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
I'm interested in the SWORDWeb running on Windows Basically, just getting sword compiled and running on Windows, including the CORBA bindings for both ORBit C++ and Java. Then trying it out. The same components it takes to get it running on Linux, but their Windows counterparts. The insta

Re: [sword-devel] SWORDWeb for Windows

2005-12-13 Thread David Forslund
I tried building it under cygwin and get the following errors: C:\projects\sword>sh autogen.sh *** Sword build system generation *** Recreating libtool libtoolize autogen.sh: line 8: libtoolize: command not found *** Recreating aclocal.m4 aclocal m4/cppunit.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb javascript

2005-03-11 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Daniel and I have been hacking around and we now have an attempt at on-demand javascript word definition loading implemented. Please have a look and let us know what you think/how it works for you. A special thanks to Joachim, Bryan, and Nic for the info regarding XMLHTTPRequest. The pages ar

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb javascript

2005-03-10 Thread Nic Carter
Yere, take a look at XmlHttpRequest. I've also been playing around with this at my day job, and I've been using it with JSP & Java -- a great project to take a look at is JSON-RPC-Java (http://oss.metaparadigm.com/jsonrpc/) which basically is a Javascript to Java RPC thing. Very funky, and probab

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb javascript

2005-03-10 Thread Lynn Allan
Am I doing something wrong? ... http://crosswire.org/study/passagestudy.jsp?key=john+3%3A16 I tried looking at several pages with IE 6, but nothing shows up. I turned on javascript, shut down IE 6 and looked at the "View Source". I'm not finding any definitions but a lot of empty where definitio

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb javascript

2005-03-10 Thread Bryan L. Fordham
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 06:29:25AM -0700, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Hey DM, > We have a doctype element in our page. I just changed it to use > what w3c.org uses and it hasn't fixed our problem. Don't have time now, either, but IE usually requires you to make threats before it will

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb javascript

2005-03-10 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Hey DM, We have a doctype element in our page. I just changed it to use what w3c.org uses and it hasn't fixed our problem. -Troy. DM Smith wrote: I don't have time to look at it right now, but IE needs to have a DOCTYPE on the html page to move it from "compatibility mode" into "stan

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb javascript

2005-03-10 Thread DM Smith
I don't have time to look at it right now, but IE needs to have a DOCTYPE on the html page to move it from "compatibility mode" into "standards mode". When this is done, it is a lot closer to the w3c box model. Try it and let me know if this helps. Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Hey guys. We've added

Re: [sword-devel] swordweb javascript

2005-03-10 Thread Bryan L.Fordham
On Mar 10, 2005, at 6:24 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Joachim pointed out that google seems to do this at: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en Google uses something call XmlHttpRequest. You can find a simple demo at http://jibbering.com/2002/4/httprequest.html This is a very simple and