Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Parallel Version Display,

2003-06-20 Thread Joachim Ansorg
Don, thanks for th update! I added the stuff to paralleldisplay.jsp. I can't figure out how to tell using CSS to make each column to have the same width. The number of columns is variable, you know. I decided to add the dir= attribute to tell what direction we have to format the text depending

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Scripture Markup

2003-03-30 Thread DJ WIce
Message - > From: "David Cary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Scripture Markup > > > > > > Dear Don A. Elbourne Jr., > > > > That looks

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Scripture Markup

2003-03-26 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
alone, Don A. Elbourne Jr. http://elbourne.org - Original Message - From: "David Cary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Scripture Markup > > Dear Don A. Elbourne Jr.

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Scripture Markup

2003-03-25 Thread Michael Paul Johnson
At 16:28 25-03-03 -0600, David Cary wrote: Occasionally I see text that cannot be placed into a strict hierarchy (there's overlapping sections, paragraphs, and verses). This is quite common, actually, especially when you look at many translations in many languages. There are basically three hiera

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Scripture Markup

2003-03-25 Thread David Cary
Dear Don A. Elbourne Jr., That looks like a perfectly adequate structure. Naturally I would like to add <... id="6:29" > anchors to each verse so I can make a link jump right to the 29th verse. Going to Print http://www.alistapart.com/stories/goingtoprint/ has a nifty way to make every link v

RE: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Word Search Results Page

2003-03-05 Thread Victor Porton
On 05-Mar-2003 Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote: > Here is the second page of my Sword Web Interface mock-up. Its the idea I > have for what the search results page would look like. > > http://elbourne.org/swordweb/wordsearchresults.shtml You should also number search results (1, 2, 3, ...). Not sure w

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Mock-up page 1

2003-03-05 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
links. by grace alone, Don A. Elbourne Jr. http://elbourne.org - Original Message - From: "David Overcash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Mock-up page 1 > > It look

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Mock-up page 1

2003-03-05 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Mock-up page 1 > Don, > As always, your web interface looks awesome! It did look and resize > well on Linux/Netscape 7.02. I'm excited to hear o

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Mock-up page 1

2003-03-03 Thread David Burry
- Original Message - From: "David Overcash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Mock-up page 1 > > It look really nice, but isn't to much of the space spend with the &g

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Mock-up page 1

2003-03-03 Thread David Overcash
> It look really nice, but isn't to much of the space spend with the > menus? I agree, looks great! But how about implementing a feature to collapse the menu of the different texts so it would be a bit smaller? It's somewhat annoying to have only 30 lines of content with a menu extending 75 line

RE: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Mock-up page 1

2003-03-03 Thread Simon
2003 23:46 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Mock-up page 1 Don, As always, your web interface looks awesome! It did look and resize well on Linux/Netscape 7.02. I'm excited to hear others comments on it. -Troy. Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote:

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface: Mock-up page 1

2003-03-03 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Don, As always, your web interface looks awesome! It did look and resize well on Linux/Netscape 7.02. I'm excited to hear others comments on it. -Troy. Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote: I have one page of the Sword Web interface proposal up. I was hoping to have several mock pages together by no

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Customization

2003-03-01 Thread Chris Little
On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote: > If someone is able to run a mirror of the Sword web interface on their > server I would think they would also be able to have write permissions to > save preferences as well, wouldn't they?. But, like I stated at some point, they probably will not

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Customization

2003-03-01 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
ris Little" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Customization > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote: > > > I'm guessing that the ability to save preferences across

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Customization

2003-02-28 Thread Chris Little
On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Rev. Michael Paul Johnson wrote: > >What diatheke currently does (and what would be my recommendation) is just > >set cookies on the client. Nothing is required of the server maintainer. > >If people disable cookies, the have to live without these features. The > >only re

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Customization

2003-02-28 Thread Rev. Michael Paul Johnson
At 11:08 28-02-03 -0700, you wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote: > I'm guessing that the ability to save preferences across sessions will > require a user/login type of system where the preferences will be able > to be saved in a database. Is this doable? Logins and server-side

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Customization

2003-02-28 Thread Chris Little
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote: > I'm guessing that the ability to save preferences across sessions will > require a user/login type of system where the preferences will be able > to be saved in a database. Is this doable? Logins and server-side storage of setting adds a lot of co

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface Project Name

2003-02-28 Thread Chris Little
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote: > Can we give the web interface a cool sounding project name? :) How about "Codename: Macceketh"? Or "Sword-web"? Or "The Sword Project for the Web"? --Chris ___ sword-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Standards (was: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface)

2003-02-27 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
ot;Troy A. Griffitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:00 AM Subject: Re: Standards (was: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface) > Don, > That sounds reasonable. I'm really looking forward to your ideas. You > did such a good j

Re: Standards (was: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface)

2003-02-26 Thread Chris Little
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Don, > That sounds reasonable. I'm really looking forward to your ideas. You > did such a good job with improving the look of the old sword website, > it's hard to remember how bad the old one used to be! > > -Troy. Let me remind yo

Re: Standards (was: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface)

2003-02-26 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
February 23, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: Standards (was: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface) I appreciate the comments on standards. It's clear that we need to do our best to accommodate as many languages and browsers as we can. My hope is to do this and still allow others to turn features on (if

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-25 Thread ytang0648
In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:20:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Please be more carefull in your observations and conclusions. As > it became a number tossing game I would like to put an end > to fruitless > debates and concentrate on what is usefull. I apology. _

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-25 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/25/2003 1:22:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can use DHTML layers. These can contain markup as well. No layer please. It is not part of HTML4.0

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-25 Thread Hugo van der Kooij
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2003 12:22:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I think we all know there are lies, big lies and statistics. > > Who start the number game here? Who start to count the % number of language > module

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-25 Thread Christian Renz
does not crop it until character 807. But if we want to put the entire strongs definition in there, I think we could probably come up with a better You can use DHTML layers. These can contain markup as well. Greetings, Christian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.web42.com/crenz/ - http://www.we

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-25 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/25/2003 12:22:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think we all know there are lies, big lies and statistics. Who start the number game here? Who start to count the % number of language module download? Who start to quote the number and % in this mailling

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-25 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/24/2003 11:58:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More or less correct, but it's not exactly clear whether they're counting, for example, the 1/3 of Malaysians who can read Chinese in both their Chinese and Bahasa Malaysia statistics (which they should, an

Re: Standards (was: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface)

2003-02-25 Thread Victor Porton
> Troy, > > I do not want to be a trouble maker, but was that a "yes" or a "no" to using > valid markup (X)HTML according to W3c web standards? If yes, what DOCTYPE? > The only reason I ask is for consistency in development. May I suggest > structural XHTML 1.0 Transitional. As the New York Public

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-25 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/24/2003 4:00:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think we could probably come up with a better method, still short of reverting to _javascript_. Will the attached page will only use CSS2 without any _javascript_. However, since it heavely use CSS2, it wo

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-25 Thread Hugo van der Kooij
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Chris Little wrote: > On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > (21) Chinese. There are 56.6 M people online in mainland China, according to > > a report released by the ... > > > > I believe the 2.26M people in Singapore online, 5.7 M Malaysians online, and >

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Chris Little
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > (21) Chinese. There are 56.6 M people online in mainland China, according to > a report released by the ... > > I believe the 2.26M people in Singapore online, 5.7 M Malaysians online, and > 1.9 M Americans whoc access the Internet in Chinese a

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/24/2003 11:49:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And please: If you want to use _javascript_ it is your choice, but please make the website usable for users who have disabled all dynamic functions in their browsers (like Java, _javascript_, plugins, Activ

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/24/2003 11:31:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My point was just that this site: http://www.glreach.com/globstats/ only shows statistics for "native speakers" which I had interpreted as meaning "mother tongue speakers".  I'm not completely clear, from th

Re: Standards (was: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface)

2003-02-24 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
CTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: Standards (was: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface) > I appreciate the comments on standards. It's clear that we need to do > our best to accommodate as many languages and browsers as we can. My >

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
rd. > > > > by grace alone, > > > > Don A. Elbourne Jr. > > http://elbourne.org > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Troy A. Griffitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sa

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Joachim Ansorg
Yes, it uses Javascript. Nothing I would use on a serious web app, but it's useful to position windows, resize them and to popup windows with hidden toolbar or menubar, so navigation windows are not full of browser bars. Joachim > Hello, > > Am Sonntag, 23. Februar 2003 16:23 schrieb Joachim

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Klaus R. H. Walther
Hello Am Freitag, 21. Februar 2003 23:10 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts: > I'd love to get input on what features you like/use from other sites, > and what you would like a web interface to a Bible study tool to look like. I would suggest a two level support for users. One level for anonymous users a

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Klaus R. H. Walther
Hello, Am Sonntag, 23. Februar 2003 16:23 schrieb Joachim Ansorg: > me and my brother spent some minutes on a possible layout and came up with > http://joachim.ansorgs.de/sword/. This is just a suggestion. The navigation > window is on the left. There can be multiple windows which are used to rea

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Chris Little
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The site you referenced unfortunately assumes everyone in the world is > > monolingual. > > Which site you referenced to is NOT monolingual? huh? My point was just that this site: http://www.glreach.com/globstats/ only shows statistics for "nativ

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Derek Neighbors
> I think this has been mentioned a few times before, but "Free Software" > isn't really part of CrossWire's goal. Our use of GPL as a license is > mostly the result of history and not having anything identifiably > better. The politics of Free Software are irrelevent to our mission > and GPL i

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread ytang0648
In a message dated 2/24/2003 6:40:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Well, do you think there would be any way to integrate a map feature into the > sword library? That is something that people always > requested but nobody > implemented. > First of all, we don't have

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread ytang0648
In a message dated 2/24/2003 3:37:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > :) I've visited your site. Honestly, it's hard for me to say, as I > cannot read any of it! :) I'm grateful that there is a > site dedicated > to Chinese Bible Study! > OK, let's do this. I will make

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread ytang0648
In a message dated 2/24/2003 3:38:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The site > you referenced unfortunately assumes everyone in the world > is monolingual. Which site you referenced to is NOT monolingual? ___ sword-devel mailin

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread ytang0648
In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:59:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, YTang0648 writes: > In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:16:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > Okay, my guestimates were off. I ran statistics on our downloads in the > last 5 weeks 76% of downloads were of Engl

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Chris Little
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Derek Neighbors wrote: > Perhaps, I didnt put in good terms. The more you deviate from the Free > Software user base the less help you get. The less help you get the more > your product suffers. Let's say for example I pick a license that is > 'incompatable' with the GNU GP

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Derek Neighbors
Chris Little said: > Though I agree portability should be a goal, I think these are actually > minor concerns. There aren't going to be and don't need to be throngs Perhaps, I didnt put in good terms. The more you deviate from the Free Software user base the less help you get. The less help you

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Martin Gruner
> A good Bible software should also offer map. Not sure how many people check > my http://chinesebiblesrc.sourceforge.net/maptest.html";>http://chinesebi >blesrc.sourceforge.net/maptest.html > > Wonder how can text base browser ever support map Well, do you think there would be any way to int

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
:) I've visited your site. Honestly, it's hard for me to say, as I cannot read any of it! :) I'm grateful that there is a site dedicated to Chinese Bible Study! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/23/2003 6:33:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joachim, Thank

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-24 Thread Chris Little
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You can look at your number from this angle, or you can look at this > number from an ROI angle > > Which is Number of Dowload of that languages / Number of module that you > offer in that langauage > > If you offer 10 moues in language A and 1 moudle

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/23/2003 6:33:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joachim,   Thanks for the interface idea!  I appreciate the time you and your brother took and your ideas.  I don't think I like the idea of poping up new browser windows.  I don't mind a _Create New View_ b

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:16:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, my guestimates were off.  I ran statistics on our downloads in the last 5 weeks 76% of downloads were of English modules, 17% were of other Latin script modules, 4% were of original language modules, and

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:16:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Modules in scripts unsupported by the browser can also be transliterated to Latin pretty easily, or you can change those brower to support it. For example, Mozilla does not support Burmese, and I am making

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Joachim, Thanks for the interface idea! I appreciate the time you and your brother took and your ideas. I don't think I like the idea of poping up new browser windows. I don't mind a _Create New View_ button that would let the user open a new browser window, but not as a default function. H

Standards (was: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface)

2003-02-23 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
I appreciate the comments on standards. It's clear that we need to do our best to accommodate as many languages and browsers as we can. My hope is to do this and still allow others to turn features on (if they have the support) for a richer user interface. I don't believe further comment on t

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/23/2003 11:32:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If Troy is going to do the implementation, I think the options are Java, C, and C++.  He seems to have religious objections to Perl and PHP. :)  Since JSword is not at the level needed (most of the module d

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:16:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, my guestimates were off.  I ran statistics on our downloads in the last 5 weeks 76% of downloads were of English modules, 17% were of other Latin script modules, 4% were of original language modules, and

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:54:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >One option here instead of _javascript_ >would be to use the "title" attribute of the href tag. I created a little >one verse demo: I am pretty sure that will work in all browsers, too. even those text base

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:53:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I reply: Yes, you are correct.  Technically, all of those broswers support _javascript_, but without the proper DOM support, what use is _javascript_ in a browser for real applications? DOM level 0 suppo

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread Chris Little
On 23 Feb 2003, Derek Neighbors wrote: > If you want lots of people to propogate this work, you will need to > construct it in a way that is accessible for them to install and make > available to their user base. I assume that fulfilling the great > commission is the goal and so getting something

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread Derek Neighbors
>On the technical part use JSP (or whatever) modules which do the whole stuff > for you, e.g. template systems which only get the content to merge it into a > static layout. This helps a lot, because other people which are better than > you in HTML design can make the pages and you fill in the c

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread Joachim Ansorg
Troy, me and my brother spent some minutes on a possible layout and came up with http://joachim.ansorgs.de/sword/. This is just a suggestion. The navigation window is on the left. There can be multiple windows which are used to read a module. The search would open a new window to browse the sea

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote: > would be to use the "title" attribute of the href tag. I created a little > one verse demo: > http://elbourne.org/temp/titlerollo.htm > elinks (text mode browser) shows the bible text, but nothin else. Lynx also. Konqueror and Mozilla show a popup

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-23 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Matthew Donadio wrote: > > ECMAScript (EMCA-262) is the official standard for JavaScript. Or is it standard for ECMAScript, for which JavaScript is an imlementation? :) Yours, Eeli Kaikkonen (Mr.), Oulu, Finland e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (with no x) ___

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Joe Walker
Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Joe, jsword is an option to solve this problem if jsp is the httpd plugin, but I'm not quite sure jsword is there yet, and if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure the sword-like api interface isn't close, right? Creating a Sword like API will be very trivial. Seriously - tell me w

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Chris Little
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > :( :( :( very very very western kind of thinking. Don't know how you come out > that number. (90% and 98%). English user is less than 30% of the total > Internet users these days. And Latin * charset users is < 70% of the Internet > users these day

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Matthew Donadio
"Don A. Elbourne Jr." wrote: > I'm not a big fan of JavaScript. I try to avoid it wherever possible, but > like you said, we may want some features that require it. You mentioned > hover popups for strongs numbers. I am fairly sure this would cause compatability problems with older browsers. You

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
on definitions and/or a concordance type listing of other occurrences of the same word. by grace alone, Don A. Elbourne Jr. http://elbourne.org - Original Message - From: "Troy A. Griffitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Matthew Donadio
YTang0648 wrote: What is this web interface really target to? what can we do to make this one differ from the rest of Bible site which is already there if cannot use those W3C standards? I really don't believe it is possible to serve blind people Bible without rewrite the UI. Will those text brows

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Matthew Donadio
(again, please send emails in plain text) YTang0648 wrote: Netscape start to support JavaScript since 2.0. JavaScript itself is never the reason cause those problem (beside people turn it off). The problem is on Netscape 4.7, IE5 or Mac IE is the level of DOM support. You are completed confused

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Matthew Donadio
"Troy A. Griffitts" wrote: > (WHAT IS ECMAScript?). ECMAScript (EMCA-262) is the official standard for JavaScript. http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/ECMA-262.HTM -- Matthew Donadio ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ sword-devel mailing lis

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:40:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Does those text browser support UTF-8, Greek and Hebrew? lynx supports UTF-8 just fine.  Greek / Hebrew would depend on whether the user has fonts and other things set up correctly for it. Most users don't

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 3:43:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agreed, no frames. :( What is this web interface really target to? what can we do to make this one differ from the rest of Bible site which is already there if cannot use those W3C standards? I really don't b

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
ts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface > Wow, thanks for all the traffic! > > I'm still really looking for user interface ideas (thanks for the ones > that have been express

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Chris Little
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does those text browser support UTF-8, Greek and Hebrew? lynx supports UTF-8 just fine. Greek / Hebrew would depend on whether the user has fonts and other things set up correctly for it. Most users don't care about that though. 90% of users will

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 1:32:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems you are not entirely informed. PHP can be completely transparant. Wether or not valid HTML/XHTML/ is generated is the programmers responsibility. But _javascript_ is not an option for anyone us

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:57:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I know there are no text based browsers which support _javascript_ at the moment. Does those text browser support UTF-8, Greek and Hebrew? Some people use a text mode browser through text termin

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Wow, thanks for all the traffic! I'm still really looking for user interface ideas (thanks for the ones that have been expressed). The calls to get the data from sword will be dependent on the dynamic server-side mechanism used; coming up with an easy access mechanism to the sword engine from

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:37:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yes it is server side only, so I don't know how it would affect the different browsers either. No body ever say it will affect browsers

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:31:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is that there are a fair number of people who are people who are still using older browsers, especially outside of the US.  I use IE5.5 because I never bothered to upgrade from Win95.  I have clie

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Klaus R. H. Walther
Hello, Am Samstag, 22. Februar 2003 20:40 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > add ECMAScript, DOM Level 1, DOM Level 2, and UTF-8 at least please. about once a week I get information about a security hole in a browser (IE, Netscape, mozilla, opera, ...) In most cases the hole is in the dynamic part.

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Hugo van der Kooij
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:08:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > PHP is given out free, the same GPL style as we have but different, there > > are many details to it. PHP is made for many different types of servers a

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
> I am not agaist the use of php. I am simply against the "no JavaScript > please" because my browser do not support it request. > > Which TEXT based browser do not support JavaScript? As far as I know there are no text based browsers which support javascript at the moment. Some people use a te

RE: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Daniel Adams
You just point out part of the reason why I am extremely for using PHP, in addition to whatever else. My desire is to be able to use an external PHP script and Link in to individual parts, and yes it is server side only, so I don't know how it would affect the different browsers either. By the Gra

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Matthew Donadio
(please send email to mailing lists in plain text format...) YTang0648 wrote: A browser which support ECMAScript/JavaScript which called Mozilla is also given out free, a different open source license, MPL, is with it. Mozilla is made for many different types of client OS and is very common too.

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:08:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PHP is given out free, the same GPL style as we have but different, there are many details to it. PHP is made for many different types of servers and is very common.   By the Grace of God, A browser which s

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Word Study

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:31:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another feature, similar to the "passage study" I presented in the other email would be a "word study." This could take advantage of your KJV2003. The user could input a passage and be given a list of links fo

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:01:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>Therefore, if you want to talk about standard, you really need to DEFINE the set of standards you are talking about. I did. XHTML and CSS. http://www.w3.org/ http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/ http://www.w3.or

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
ok... I have one new request for the web interface All the result should be abel to access through a GET url. We should not use POST with we try to GET thing. This is important so people can LINK against such result outside the system. All the actions of retriving data from the SWORD is to GET

RE: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Daniel Adams
Title: Message PHP is given out free, the same GPL style as we have but different, there are many details to it. PHP is made for many different types of servers and is very common.   By the Grace of God, Dan Adams - [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~dpa3  1 Peter 4:10 (NIV)-  Each

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Passage Study

2003-02-22 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
Troy, One feature that I would like to see would be, for lack of a better title, "Passage Study." Here is how it would work for the user: Let's say someone wants to do a study of Romans 8:28-30. They could input this reference into a form field and be presented with a list of grouped links. The li

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Word Study

2003-02-22 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
Another feature, similar to the "passage study" I presented in the other email would be a "word study." This could take advantage of your KJV2003. The user could input a passage and be given a list of links for every Greek word found in the passage with either the full text of the entry for the wor

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface >>Therefore, if you want to talk about standard, you really need to DEFINE the set of standards you are talking about. I did. XHTML a

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Joe Walker
Just a quick note in case anyone wasn't aware - you can already use Sword on the web via JSword. There is a servlet/jsp front end which was easy to develop. You can see a demo here: http://www.crosswire.org/jsword/demo Joe. ___ sword-devel mailing li

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:18:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >How about more capable searching? :-) I agree with this suggestion...  I've often found that I may try to search for a specific phrase and it would not come up, even though I would be looking at the exact t

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:08:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about more capable searching? :-) Could you be explicit about what you are talking about? What do you mean "more capable"?

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:03:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In terms of underlying implementation, I would (not too surprisingly) suggest something similar to diatheke--that is, written in C.  It allows easy porting to different platforms and between CGI, ISAPI, and

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/21/2003 4:02:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess I didn't catch this one, but PHP which I suggested earlier can output whatever you choose. PHP is server side code/processing. But which SERVER support php? Your apach server may support php but if s

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/21/2003 3:51:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh no, please, no _javascript_! I use text mode browsers often. Modern text mode browsers can handle even tables ands frames, but not _javascript_. ECMAScript IS standard. DOM is standard so... what is

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-21 Thread David Overcash
> On February 21, 2003 14:10, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > > Currently, I'm planning to spend next month working on a web interface > > to the sword engine. > > > > I'd love to get input on what features you like/use from other sites, > > and what you would like a web interface to a Bible study tool

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-21 Thread Joel Mawhorter
On February 21, 2003 14:10, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Currently, I'm planning to spend next month working on a web interface > to the sword engine. > > I'd love to get input on what features you like/use from other sites, > and what you would like a web interface to a Bible study tool to look like

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