Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Hi David, You're right. I was being a devil's advocate and pitched it too strong (probably predictably). I don't think you were trying to blame anyone (though in some interactions I have had with other open source groups blame definitely happens - and it's not about technical faults, either). Ho

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Serious software developers always appreciate good feedback and bug reports, because it provides an opportunity to make their product better. David Haslam has provided great help to me in improving Haiola software, and I am honestly grateful. This isn't about being told I was wrong, but that so

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Jonathan, My question was not about blame. It was about responsiveness. The CrossWire wiki directs people to the issues tracker for reporting problems. I'm on the inside of CrossWire. Imagine how outsiders might feel if they get the same lack of respo

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Devil's advocate: Why should you expect volunteers to do things that are out of their speciality / experience just because someone reported a bug. One of the most depressing things about being a volunteer is when you have expended time and effort only to be told that you've done it wrong or could/

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On 07/23/2013 08:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Which other open source project would allow issues to be neglected for more > than 18 months? Firefox, Thunderbird, and OpenOffice.org, are three programs that have had bug reports that went ignored for more than four years. jonathon -- Email with

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Chris Little wrote: > On 07/23/2013 10:19 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >> So, linked verses are a matter of importance, I just struggle to see how >> the particular output should be a bug in mod2imp. Within the described >> purpose - it is no issue. > > Just off the

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 10:36 -0700, David Haslam wrote: > OK Peter, I read what you've said about > http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 > > At the time the bug was first encountered, it was with diatheke, and yes - > this utility is important for me. So you are saying - but how e

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Actually, these three utilities can be thought of as front-ends (to a module) and as such have independent responsibility for dealing with linked verses. How they deal with them will use the same API, but come up with different results. On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:36 PM, David Haslam wrote: > OK Pet

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 12:14 -0400, DM Smith wrote: >> On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:49 AM, David Haslam wrote: >> >>> DM wrote, >>> >>> "Regarding linked verses, this is common in commentaries, but until recently >>> was very rare in Bibles. It

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On 07/23/2013 10:19 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: So, linked verses are a matter of importance, I just struggle to see how the particular output should be a bug in mod2imp. Within the described purpose - it is no issue. Just off the top of my head (i.e. I'm not looking at code and haven't looked

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

OK Peter, I read what you've said about http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 At the time the bug was first encountered, it was with diatheke, and yes - this utility is important for me. So I thought it a logical move to check the other two "module contents output" tools to see if

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Hi DM, You are, of course, one of the more responsive coders. With multi-tab browsers, it's not so hard for any CrossWire programmer to keep an eye open on trackers, etc. Currently, I have Firefox open with the following tabs: CrossWire Go Bible Our wiki Main Page and-bible issues xulsword issu

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 12:14 -0400, DM Smith wrote: > On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:49 AM, David Haslam wrote: > > > DM wrote, > > > > "Regarding linked verses, this is common in commentaries, but until recently > > was very rare in Bibles. It is still rare in Bibles. > > > > I can assure you that bas

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:58 AM, David Haslam wrote: > DM wrote, "They need to be triaged." > > Yes - the do need to be triaged, but an A&E department in which the triage > nurses never made a decision or never communicated it to the patient would > not be considered "fit for purpose". > > Busine

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:49 AM, David Haslam wrote: > DM wrote, > > "Regarding linked verses, this is common in commentaries, but until recently > was very rare in Bibles. It is still rare in Bibles. If it were in widely > used Bibles and these tools were widely used, then fixing any of these migh

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

DM wrote, "They need to be triaged." Yes - the do need to be triaged, but an A&E department in which the triage nurses never made a decision or never communicated it to the patient would not be considered "fit for purpose". Businesses competing in the real world are often assessed against the req

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 3:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Greg, > > Is anyone actually looking at the software issues for SWORD utilities? > I'm sure someone is. I have no authority to commit to the utilities directory so I can do no more than the next person to get any of these issues addressed.

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

DM wrote, "Regarding linked verses, this is common in commentaries, but until recently was very rare in Bibles. It is still rare in Bibles. If it were in widely used Bibles and these tools were widely used, then fixing any of these might be more urgent." I can assure you that based upon the large

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

>There are a small number of projects (mostly church projection >software) who use diatheke output and then post process it but I think >this is simply a sign of lack of willingness to get to grips with the >API. I have been in contact with one such project and pointed out the >python bindings - my

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Regarding MODTOOLS-31, this should be three separate bug reports. Bug reports that are too broad are seldom seen as anything more than an observation. No one person would ever be the owner of this one report. I'm inclined to suggest that we close it as "invalid" or "won't fix" and state why. R

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On 07/23/2013 10:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: It's quite disheartening to see so little response after reporting a software issue. If the problem is so acute and important to you, hire some hungry programmer (there are tons of them around, especially given the economy) and make him to fix it.

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

More a comment on the thread than this reply. We have bug trackers to record bugs, to record feature requests, to record development plans, Reported bugs are not created equal. They are not equally important. They need to be triaged. Some thoughts: A reported bug may not be a bug but a fe

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

> Von: "David Haslam" > These utilities should give the required output when single verses are > requested, but should be "intelligent" enough to avoid duplications when a > passage is to be processed that includes the verse range (or part of one). Chris has answered already largely. Wrt to mod

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

On 7/23/2013 1:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: Greg, Aside from a mod2osis patch he submitted once upon a time, I don't think Greg has done any work on the utilities, so I'm unclear why you're asking him. Is anyone actually looking at the software issues for SWORD utilities? Yes, but everyone

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Insert comment here about lack of time and everyone being a volunteer and life going on and bigger fish to fry and ... M, fried fish! Oh, I meant, and distractions all over the place... ;) Sent from my phone, hence this email may be short... On 23/07/2013, at 21:09, David Haslam wrote: >

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Thanks Peter, If that's how you see this particular issue, then why was there never any such response along those lines from ANYONE in the SWORD development team? btw. I don't fully agree with you as regards the details for http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 These utilities sho

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Thanks Daniel, *begin rant* Why do they have issues trackers if they only respond to issues "that affect them"? This is one of the worst aspects of many open source projects! The programmers don't take users seriously enough. Or they expect users who bother to report problems to be programmers

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

> This one is still open, even though it was created on 2012-01-09. > > http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 I would consider this expected behaviour at that level, not a bug. These are linked verses and so each verse pointer will point at the same text. At the level of a front

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Which other open source project would allow issues to be neglected for more than 18 months? Lots actually, In my experience most bugs I have raised against opensource projects have never been fixed. The exception to this is bugs I have raised against my own opensource projects. Opensource develope

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Greg, Is anyone actually looking at the software issues for SWORD utilities? This one is still open, even though it was created on 2012-01-09. http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 It's quite disheartening to see so little response after reporting a software issue. CrossWire does

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

Thanks Greg, Please document the changes to osis2mod in http://crosswire.org/wiki/Osis2mod#History_of_Changes David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652866.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

[sword-devel] Windows Utilities

I know that there has been a HUGE amount of changes and refactoring, including the addition of the new versification scheme (and about 115 subversion commits) since the last time I updated the Windows utilities. You can find the latest build, as of tonight revision 2908, at http://dl.thehellings.co